Tell Me a Secret: NO!

Monday, October 17, 2005


I have been thinking that we have a very good chance to vote the constitution out, since all what we need is two thirds of the voters in three cities only, perfect! Anbar, Mosul and Salahiddeen will do the work for sure, that's all what we need, three cities! too easy, too do-able, almost guaranteed results already...go people, go my friends, go my NO to the this effort for your own country and your own future...
we have a very good chance! i was thinking.
and then it hit me like a vase on the back of my head: WAIT A MINUTE.
why did "they" make it so easy? why why why why?? they know that it will be rejected for sure with this kind of rules!
and then my cloud of hope was pushed by the wind of thoughts.
this constitution will pass anyways, i promise you, and i hate to say that but in a day or two, when the results come our i am gonna say: i told you so.
The idea is to make rules that make it look very easy to vote the constitution out, so sonna (last men standing) participate and vote, while the shea stand, driven again by sistani telling them they are going to hell if they don't vote yes, and the Kurdish stand, driven away with their leaders telling them they will go to the hell of shame and humiliation and Saddam-isim if they were even close to Arabs in one country on any level, stands are well known and expected.
the trick today, is that while sonna did the right thing and didn't participate in the last elections, so that any puppet government that would be appointed ("elected") doesn't at least have their votes, now are going to vote, and the results will be yes anyways, what you are going to hear now for the coming few years is that: Iraqis approved the constitution in democratic elections, see, the laws were too easy, but those insurgents that don't support the liberation, couldn't even get two thirds in three cities only, see how easy? three cities out of eighteen only! and they couldn't do it! while the very majority of Iraqis are peace loving good pro democracy Iraqis and voted freely and approved the constitution!
Now it's going to be done with the names of Sonnis in it, too sad.
i Have already got news from people that were supervising the voting centers and other people living in Iraq: in Sonni areas voting centers were relocated many times, people were confused and didn't know where to vote, in many centers people went to vote and they weren't allowed to, their names somehow weren't there, some centers didn't make the voters dip their fingers in ink, which means they could vote more than one time, in other centers by noon there was almost none of the supervisors that are supposed to supervise the "honesty" of the process and report violations, there were large numbers of police and national guards, in other centers, a bus from Badr brigade came full of men that took over a voting center and asked the supervisors to leave and told them they will take it form there, said Hatam abu Ahmed, one of the supervisors in the voting center of the school of Ashawis in the Zaafaraniya, Baghdad. the police of Kirkuk issued arresting orders against representatives of most of the political parties, and the officials in the voting centers, for clear violations in the voting process. stories about mass transfer of people from Kurdistan to vote in Kirkuk, and mass transfer of people from the south to vote in Baghdad, and particularly to one voting center that is going to be counted as an Anbar center, although it was in Baghdad, and particularly in al Mansour,
in the "female-teachers institution" voting center, a convoy of cars full of voters coming from the south (Shea majority) protected by police cars, shouting yes for the constitution, voted in that center too, coming fromt he university of baghdad which was assigned as a gathering point for them, where voters were then taken by cars protected to vote inspite of the curfue, according to the Iraqi rabita.
Abd Arrazaq al Joboori, the head of the " Iraqi independent front " (my translation) in Mosul, said that 80- 85% of people voted in mosul with NO, he gave specific examples with numbers, for example the voting center of Osama bin Zaid, in the Orooba neighbour, 6 000 people voted, 5 000 among them voted with no, and the rest of centers are close to this ratio too in Mosul, and he says that people in mosul are willing to use all legal ways to chalenge the results if they were manipulated.
Mosul wil be the city that determines the results of the whole voting process, since Anbar and Salahiddeen are a sure NO. you can read the post of Najma, a star from Mosul about that too.
According to Al-Jazeera, an official in the "independent committee for the elections" (my translation) which is responsible of organizing all the elections process, said that the magorioty of voters in Anbar and Salahiddeen voted with no, while early estimations say that about 95% voted with NO in Samarra, he said, which is another governorate with magority of sunna.
Baghdad has a very good chance of being a NO if shy Al Sadir, was less shy and clearly ordered his followers to vote no, Sadr tries not to look as clear opposition to the Hawza, which is the shea leadership in Najaf headed by Sistani, Sadr tries to confirm always that he is part of the Hawza, but still he was against the constitution so he adviced his followers to ask the advice of grand Ayato Allah Alha'iri who is located in Qum Iran, if they should vote with yes or no, Hai'ri said, i will quote and translate " I prefer to be cut into parts, rather voting with yes to this constitution " Al Ha'iri added that this constitution is going to divide Muslims and strengthen the occupation.
Sadr followers then distrubited papers in Iraqi, specially the city of Nasiriyya, a copy of the fatwa of Hai'ri, the Sadr stand led to that the Italian army came to the Sadr office in Arrifa'i city, and asked everyone to evacuate the office, and when they refused Italianos openned fire, which lead to the Sadrists to fight back leading to a small battle.
people went to vote and lined up under the strong sun while they were fasting, to reject the constitution.
ohhh...occupation, when is it going to end?


Blogger An Italian. said...

Dear Khalid,

I'm very much afraid that your analysis is correct.

All through the Iraqi blogs we are seeing the US warmongering commentators jumping up and down with joy, saying that 'the result is not important, what is important is that you did vote!'.

They are already inventing that their Iraq-destroying 'Constitution' did pass, and that the 'NO' vote didn't get the 2/3rds in any 3 provinces, even if the ballot boxes (as the UN monitor, a woman, declared this morning, as reported by the Italian State TV, but not by US-controlled media) are just being opened now.

Yes, a massive fraud seems to be underway. I do hope, in case, that there will be means of complete and immediate legal recourse (but I am very much inclined to doubt it).

10/17/2005 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger Francisco said...

All stages od the "constitutional process" in Iraq have been fraudulent. Wrtten under the boot and the giding finger of US invaders, now its is being "ratified" before even official counting begins, and after massive fraud in several key areas in Iraq. Nothing has changed. Just one step further towards the abyss while chanting victory over the bodies of thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

10/17/2005 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

ohhh...occupation, when is it going to end?

Well, Khalid, I guess if your rejectionist friends in Mosul get the constitution voted down, the "occupation" will if anything go on longer, won't it?

America wants to say "thanks" to you and the other rejectionists! This gives us a chance to stick around and steal more oil. Way to go, buddy!

10/17/2005 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Hassan said...

I think if there is fraud in the ballouts. It is going to be in Nineveh. Mind you Nineveh not Mosul. A province not a city as the constitution said. Anyway already Anbar and Salah Aldeen is estimated as a 80% or more with a no. As you have already said in your post. But Nineveh stays un-anounced. There are a lot of minorities in Mosul. So it is the most city that is likely to have a fraud in, because it is a close call. While Anbar and Salah Al-Deen, are just way up with Sunnis.

Disturbing News whatsoever.

10/17/2005 08:09:00 PM  
Blogger khalid jarrar said...


man its been way too longer time since the occupation for this kind of conclusions, people now -too bad for you- know better now.


Nineveh, aka Naynawa, is part of the city of Mosul, thats no wait, mosul is a city that is part of the (mo7afa`6a) of
Naynawa, just like Ramadi is part of the (mo7afa`6a) Anbar and Tikit is a part of (mo7afa`6at) Salahhiddeen. we need two thirds of three (mo7afa`6at) as the constitution states.

Don't worry Cmarii, if the constitution was rejected ( i strongly believe it won't ) then i will come out with a way to demonize Americans still.
ok that was mean i admit, but it's just a joke i promise:)))

i deleted a comment for Jeffery, oh wai, sorry it was by an ano. saying "You have only scratched the surface. It's much worse than you thought" with a link that leads you to..guess where? yes directly his blog! haha:) please someone goes to read his blog for God's sake!

I really believe we should have encouraged people to not vote at all, we would have made the government make some form of ellections with more transperancy, eventually, that isn't totally sponsored by the iraqi government and the American forces that both want the constiution to pass ( ;) ), i can't believe we just gave them the ballots without any supervision, i wouldn't trust them with the ballots for one second to be honest.

10/17/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"i can't believe we just gave them the ballots without any supervision"

ha ha, how did we let them stay with them all the night alone: who knows what would those perverts do! ( that works on so many levels ).

10/17/2005 10:19:00 PM  
Blogger khalid jarrar said...

Oh and..
you are going to continue to steal our oil no matter what as long as your friens are in the green house, i mean the green zone, by that i mean the so called iraqi goverment not the american army, well the american army too of course. you will keep stealing it till we get you both out.

Many thanks to all my good American friends for their emails and support, i really appreciate it.

10/17/2005 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yousef Tauq

Today Iraq had a chance at democracy. I hope the Constitution fails, because it seems a real shame that the civilized Kurds and Assyrian Christians are stuck in the same country as the dictator/terrorism loving Sunni. The Arabs are utterly ruthless, and there can be no happiness with them, unless they are a small minority.

Beirut was once the Paris of the Middle East...and look what the PLO and Arabs did to it. Now they do the same thing to Iraq. The only chance for Iraq's Christians to avoid persecution is to immigrate to the U.S. It's a sad thing, but hey my family did it from Lebanon to avoid the PLO. If the Kurds were smart they would make their own country. The US should reward the Kurds for being pro-US and arm them. Leave the Arabs to their own lunacy.

Yousef Tauq

10/17/2005 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


such the bore you have become...


10/17/2005 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Pietro said...

If the Americans in Iraq are half as ignorant as the ones who must create excuse after excuse for killing people God help you.

If only 66% of the population voted you're already a better democracy than the US. Perhaps the no voters will be recalled to answer skill testing questions later.

Democracy in America isn't that special, unless you've got influence or power, and want to invade a country. There's a lot of money to be made in that.

Only 40% of Americans currently approve of Bush but that doesn't mean much either. The only number that matters is the number of bullets flying at Iraqi's trying to live in their own country.

As long as the government can threaten terrorist attacks against subways in New York, and continue the fear mongering US troops will continue to kill.

10/18/2005 12:12:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

What if you are like me? What if you don't have a lot of money and power, but you just want to invade another country? American democracy is still good then isn't it?

Since elections can't be held outside of *some* government holding them, you clearly don't expect to *vote* the out of office.
Gosh! I can't imagine why the Iraqi police thought you were an insurgent! Heck, there's no insurgent talk going on here. LOL

10/18/2005 01:07:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

Oh, and trust me, Khalid. I never doubted that should this constitution of, by, and for Iraqis be voted down, you will be here ready and willing to explain how is all part of the American plot. heh heh heh

Funny thing though, Khalid. I'm going through your archives looking for blog entries before April 2003. I don't see any. Am I missing something?

10/18/2005 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


ill tell you a secret.......
get a job you spoiled loser!

10/18/2005 01:19:00 AM  
Blogger Bruno said...

Khalid! Good to have you back and posting again. Check out this excerpt from Back to Iraq – it seems that the numbers are somewhat screwy up north. Can anybody say “ballot stuffing”? Ooops. Apparently the Electoral Commission wants to investigate … ? Hm.

Chris Albrighton – Back to Iraq
October 17, 2005 - Curious numbers in Ninevah

“BAGHDAD — Ninevah province, home to the mixed city of Mosul and the besieged city of Tal ‘Afar, is seeing some very strange numbers. I’ve done back of the Excel envelope calculations and have found this:

In the January election, which was boycotted by Sunnis, there were 165,934 votes cast, according to the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq.
In October, according to AP’s preliminary results, there were 419,804 votes cast in Ninevah, an increase of 253,870 votes, or +152.99 percent.
The number of people voting for the constitution in Ninevah, according to the AP, was 326,774 (78 percent), with 90,065 voting against it (21 percent). Less than 1 percent, or 2,965 votes, was disqualified.
By way of comparison, Tamim province, home to the disputed city of Kirkuk, saw 542,000 votes cast — an increase of 35.2 percent over January — with 341,611 voting “yes” (63 percent) and 195,725 voting “no” (36 percent). You mean we’re supposed to believe that in Tamim, which is also a mixed province but which has had a steady stream of Kurds moving in for the last two-and-a-half years, had more than twice as many no votes as Ninevah? And with the Kurds already pretty much owning Kirkuk? Color me skeptical.

What’s truly eyebrow-raising is that the number of constitutional “yes” votes — 326,774 — is more than the total increase in votes over January’s turnout. That suggests that not only did all of the Sunnis in Ninevah province, who largely boycotted the January elections turn out, but that they all voted for the constitution. That’s a very strange idea to me, as I’ve not met a single Sunni who voted for it here in Baghdad.” //end excerpt

In other news, it turns out that a good number of the “70 militants” that the US claims to have killed in Ramadi were actually civilians gawking at burnt out US vehicles. Gee, does this remind me of the Haifa street massacre? You know, the one where Gaith almost got killed, and where civilians were hosed down with chain cannon fire? Yup, you bet it does. Seems that if the US Army gets whacked, they take it out on whoever is in the area afterwards … safely from the air. Tell me this isn’t deliberate.

Keep posting and keep safe!

10/18/2005 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger Bruno said...

Pietro you said “The only number that matters is the number of bullets flying at Iraqi's trying to live in their own country.”

Since you mentioned it:

US Troops In Iraq use 250,000 Bullets for every rebel killed
Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:35:04 -0700

“A US government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year. The total has more than doubled in five years, largely as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as changes in military doctrine.

Estimating how many bullets US forces have expended for every insurgent killed is not a simple or precisely scientific matter.

John Pike, director of the Washington military research group, said that, based on the GAO’s figures, US forces had expended around six billion bullets between 2002 and 2005

“If they don’t do body counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let’s round that down to 250,000 so that we are underestimating.”” //end excerpt.

And it’s the Iraqis that “spray and pray”, huh?

10/18/2005 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger khalid jarrar said...


your words are merely confirmation to what i said, the corrupted Kurdish leaders, who are Pro not only US, but pro Isreal too!!! have brain washed you to hate arabs so much, and to fear them so much (hmmm..where does that hapen too?) all arabs just for being arabs, without meeting them, without talking to them, why bother? they are just A-rabs, reminds me of Hitler, you were made to think you have a better racial origins, while i think we are all Iraqi brothers and should live peacefuly together, if a lot of Kurds think like you -i hope not- if a lot are not willing to co-live Arabs and everyone else in iraq, then maybe you'd better leave and go to the US, you should be grateful, after all you lived better than all Iraqis all the years independency, you had much greater income, much more freedom, more connection with the world than ALL Iraqis. I truly never met one Arab that hates Kurds, i Swear not even one, all the time i was in Iraq, while it seems that a lot of Kurds, like you, think that every arab is out there waiting for a chance to kill them, you have to wake up and stop listening to your leaders, we are not Saddam Husseins, you are holding us the responsibilty of all his actions against you and thats naive at best, we all were under oppression, Sonna and Shea, Arabs and Kurds.
Christians though have always had a respectable stand, in terms of belonging to Iraq and relating to it, most of christians were and are Anti occupation, i haven't seen one pro occupation sign from Iraqi Christians, i have seen alot of Anti occupation signsfrom them though.


elections should be held under transperant conditions, by people that don't have the personal interest and the ability to play with the results (dah!), and have the much needed integrity and honesty (thigns that both the Iraqi and American government lack it big time) it can be done under any government theorically, as long as there are transperancy and guaranties of honesty, with the elections being held by *this* iraqi government, a government appointed by the occupation, with the help and protection of the occupation , come on, doesnt that raise even YOUR eyebrow a bit? i mean the results of the elections are actualy approving or rejecting the whole American AND Iraqi-government project in Iraq, that Billions of dollars were spent over it this far, and they have the whole process in their hands, with no supervision or authority on them, and you expect them to let it not pass simply cause people don't want it to? for God's sake have you even seen the violations in the ellections that happened in Amreeka that lead to Bush being elected twice? read some books! listen to some testimonies.
you know what? don't read them or listen to them, they are just insurgant leftists...right?
you have been looking and haven't found posts before April 2003, wooow, this must be amazing for you isn't it? i am not sure why but i am sure you will find a reason to make it look amazing, well what you are missing is beside a lot of information about the history and present of iraq, is that i didn't start a blog before the war for two reasons: i didn't know what a blog was!!, i Had internet and i used to spend long hours everyday on the net, i just didnt know what blogs were, other Bloggers that we both know started blogging before the war and from inside Iraq, i wasn't interested, and i didn't need to, i also started to drink tea with less sugar since the war for example, but it has nothing to do with your occupation, see, not everything in the world is related to you i swear, not every good in the world is coming from you, i swear!

2. i didn't need to talk to the west before the war, why would i? why would i talk about Iraq to you? do you have a blog talking about Amreeka writen in Arabic targetting arabs in their countries? no you don't do you? because that would'nt make sence, why would i write to the west? why not to China for exmple? we didn't have any relation with Amreeka in any level ( except the sanctions of course which killed Iraq economically slowly for years, but then you wouldn't be able -or interested obviosuly, i mean it lasted for what? twelve whole years?- to do anything about it would you? it wasn't your call, you can have more effect regarding the war though) and then didn't need to start a blog and dedicate my time to it, but since the war was done by Amreeka on Iraq and basically by lieing to good american people and making them think they are coming to Iraq for the good of Iraqi people, it became my responsibility to tell them the truth, that's why i started the blog AFTER the war, and not because your war and distruction to my country gave me the freedom to start it.
what is amazing is not how little you know, but how much you refuse to learn.

10/18/2005 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

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10/18/2005 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Janice said...

There was on the news evidence of people doing multiple votes

CMAR I hate your Chimp in Chief ok if I invade? Most likely you'll say no.

I don't like Howard so should someone invade? No frigging way.

You're as crazy as that moron Jeffrey

10/18/2005 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

one other thing, Khalid:

I supported the sanctions on Iraq until Saddam complied with the terms of the cease-fire...after being driven out of that Muslim country he invaded (what was the name?).

Perhaps if THEN you and other Arabs had been as adamant and vocal as you are NOW about getting Saddam and his sons to at least COMPLY with the ceasefire during those 12 years, let alone getting him out of power, perhaps then the US wouldn't be in Iraq today...which would suit me fine.

10/18/2005 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Claude Dorsel said...

cmar ii simply doesn't get it.

My parents lived under foreign occupation. Different from the US.

10/18/2005 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Zidane said...

Sub7anallah, 3al asas intuh el sunnah shgad shurafa, mu damartu el 3eraq 9arelkum 80 sana, kafee 3ad, gu3du ra7a.

10/18/2005 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger Bruno said...

CMAR2 --

[cmar2] “Please define "transparency", Khalid. Were you able to see the Constitution you *could have* voted on?”

Uh, no, not really. Since, of course, the distribution of the document was more than just a little erratic, and since, as I understand it, there are still going to be changes made to it after the vote. Maybe in Amreeka this is transparent. Not in the rest of the world. Some places have been levelled, like Tal Afar, and I’d really like to know how much voting went on in the refugee camps there. Or in Ramadi, under US lockdown. Handy, suppressing dissent before the vote, huh? That’s the American way.

[cmar2] “In January, did you know what the various parties said they stood for? Of course you did.”

Aaah, bollocks, cmar2. The FACTS are that most of the parties on the list had no manifestos and those that did, were not widely distributed. Most of the party members were anonymous. There was no political debate. There was no discussion of ideas. Except of course, by Allawi who was sponsored to the tune of 200 million $ by the US in a bid to get him into office and who spewed his garbage across tv and print. But then, that’s the Amreekan way.

[cmar2] “As for why you didn't blog before 2003: Your facts are wrong.”

Ah, that’s right. CMAR2 is a mind reader as well. Sheeit, you should be working for US Intelligence, then maybe they’d have a clue.

[cmar2] “Perhaps YOU could have blogged without fear, however, because your blog then would have been filled little poems of praise for all Saddam did for Iraq and about how evil the US was.”

Ah, more idle speculation by cmar2. Is this the same as your LIES about Riverbend? Yeah, well, coming from an Amreekan Supremacist like yourself, I can understand where you’re coming from. It’s tough when the whole world contradicts the pretty little pictures you have dreamt up for yourself, isn’t it?

It is, for your information, possible to reject BOTH America AND Saddam as being bloodthirsty tyrants. Heck, I mean, their methods are practically identical, right?

10/19/2005 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

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10/19/2005 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger khalid jarrar said...


"Were you able to see the Constitution you *could have* voted on? Did you understand the requirements for passage and failure? That's transparency"

that is not ever a part or even related to transeprancy, transperancy is to provide the solid guaranties in a process where the elections systme, all of it, every moment of it, is totally supervised by people other than the ones that have the benefit and ability to play with tha ballots, thats transperancy, in a situation like iraq today, i wouldnt find it too much to put all ballots under cameras streaming 24 hours a day in dedicated TV channels so people see where they are and what is being done to them, but i would be satisfied with less than that: a process that guaranties supervision all the time, and ballots being transfered, protected and counted without the interference of the pro occupation government or the occupation itself.

"In January, did you know what the various parties said they stood for? Of course you did. That's as transparent as it gets in elections in any country. That's just the facts."

hellloo?? where were you? no i didnt know what the parties were standing for, i didnt know and no one knew cause there was simply no agendas, no campaigns, no names of candidates even, people that were ordered to vote by sistani, the shea, voted to the shea list without knowing their names merely because they are shea, and the other name that was revealed was Allawi's, the one with the campaing sponspred by the USA that advertised to him more than pepsi does to its blue cute cans. that isnt transperancy is it? maybe to you it is!

Salam Pax was blogging before the war, and that is an evidence that we could blog, internet was in Iraq for like a year myabe before the war, so its new to people, people didnt know what internet is and hardly were beginning to learn what a website is and what internet is good for, so it was actually that no one, includign me knew what a blog was, not that we knew what was it and didn't blog, if i did i would have blogged maybe! who knows? Raed wasn't blogging because he was actually in Jordan before the war, and its the whole reason while Salam started blogging, it was so Raed read his diaries since they couldnt communicate well by email, (i dont remember why at that time), anyways, I dont remember Salam deleting thigns from his blog except after he said somethign about some local meletia after the war and then deleted it for some reason ( i dont remember the details ) but anyways, Salam isn't exactly the most courages person in the world since i know him, i explained to you before why didn't other bloggers blog, do you read what i write? (i explained that just yesterday!!!)
by comparing what your government is doing to what Saddam was doing to Iraqis, you are admitting what a poor job the occupation is doing, if the standard became that you are good cause you are not as bad as Saddam, that tells you something does it? still in many levels Saddam was doing better.
and helloooo? did you forget that i was arested by the intellegance just for reading a blog!!! have you forgot that? your occupation or your Iraqi govenment isn't doing that better than Saddam regarding freedom and liberties.

I deleted your comment cause you accused me -again, for the 1 000 000th time that i am pro Saddam and that is at minimum completely rude and ignorant and tells that you are an infromation-less argument-less or just a meory-less troller since i said and proved a milion time that i am not, and you accused me of other things too, so i deleted that comment, and will delete any other comments that come from you or any other trollers that want to talk regardless of what they say, that accuse me or my family of false accusations, i left your other comments though, i have no problem with you disagreeying with what i say, i am thankful to you, you say everything that the bush admenstartion sais and give me then the chance to declear how wrong it is and reply to it, and you are then surving the purpose of this blog and helping increasing public awareness.
thank you.
it has been one of the ugliest things the Occupation told the world: whoever is Anti occupation is pro Saddam, and that is completely wrong, i am -like millions of Iraqis- completely anti Saddam, always was, never been in the baath party, always hated and criticized it, and i am Anti occupation, anti American-adminstration and not Anti American, there are alot of good people there in the states, some of my best friends are American.
thank you!

10/19/2005 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Bruno said...

Nice one Khalid! ;)

10/20/2005 05:20:00 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

Typical Khalid post: High on cynicism and bias - absent of needed objectivity..

You need to take a step back Khalid. Ponder the possibilty that everything is NOT the byproduct of evil conspiracies..

10/20/2005 05:43:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

it has been one of the ugliest things the Occupation told the world: whoever is Anti occupation is pro Saddam, and that is completely wrong

Tell you what, Khalid. You say you don't miss the days of Saddam? Fine here's a challenge:
Pick a day. On that day I will post a blog entry giving three reasons why I wish the US had not invaded Iraq to depose Saddam.
On that day YOU must post a blog entry here giving three reasons that make you happy Saddam is gone.
You can't give cynical smart-alecky reasons. You can't say "I'm glad because now Bush can be humiliated." They have to be *real* honest reasons that affect you directly.
You say you don't regret Saddam's passing? Prove it.

As for Transparency:
1)YOU weren't going to vote for any Shi'a parties anyway, so claiming "the Shi'a didn't know what they were voting for" is bogus.
2)In a democracy, voting for someone because "my religious leader says I should" is not a *good* reason to select a candidate, but it is a *valid* one. And the issue certainly has nothing to do with transparency.
3)You were free to vote for the Communist Party (who is quite open about what they stand for) or one of the other Secular parties (who are also open about that). You could have voted for a Sunni religious party, which (I wasn't even in Iraq but I can figure this out) are for more religious identity to the government and to protect the interests of the Iraqi Sunni Arabs. You had many choices. It is not valid to say you didn't vote because you didn't know what anyone stood for. You clearly have a lot to learn about the way democracies work.

Salam Pax:
SP deleted ALL his blog entries IIRC in November of 2002 for fear the police were zeroing in on him. Raed didn't blog more than a 7 lines until November of 2003! And (I'm paying attention), he has deleted the more snarky things he said about deposing Saddam THEN. I presume this is to not queer his entry into the Great Satan itself?

After Saddam was gone Raed started a blog that attracted (due to Raed's outrageous posts) the lowest denominator of Saddam and jihadi apologists. Can you really blame Iraqi police (whose lives and families are at risk every day from the jihadis and Saddam's orphans) for wanting to take a closer look at a guy who found the garbage in those Comments worthwhile reading?

Buuut, YOU argued before an Iraqi judge:
"I was practicing my democratic right of viewing people’s opinion about a certain topic on a site that people visit from all the countries around the world to give their opinions"

10/20/2005 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

Can you imagine reaching for that defense under Saddam? But you did then, and IT GOT YOU OFF! (you might want to remember that for your blog entry on "Why I am glad Saddam is gone").

Or are you going to argue that Saddam's police WOULD NOT have arrested you for reading material online that called Saddam a "puppet" and insurgents against him "freedom fighters"?

10/20/2005 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger Bruno said...

CMAR2 the point is not whether Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone, because lets face it, the majority are. The question is whether they support the current open ended occupation and wholesale selling off of their country to foreign interests.

Simply because you got rid of a despot which YOU supported does not automatically entitle you to take over the country.

THAT is the real issue.

10/21/2005 05:23:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

That's fancy dance, but it won't win any tropheys. Khalid as been blogging for almost two years now. He has yet to express a single aspect of life after Saddam that makes him pleased he is gone...ever. Life is not totally perfect nor awful. If Khalid's viewpoint is different from one of thoses guys carrying a picture of Saddam in a parade to protest the Constitution or from the jihadists who want to found a caliphate in the Anbar province, then I don't see why it is not expected for him to WANT show how it is different.

As it is, I cannot see how his posts would be different if he were writing as a former member of Saddam's Republican Guard or a covert member of a jihadist group.

10/21/2005 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

You know, it just occurred to me that Khalid's defense before the judge ("I was practicing my democratic right of viewing people’s opinion about a certain topic on a site that people visit from all the countries around the world to give their opinions") is a tacit admission that Iraq IS a democracy and it's government is not just puppet of foreign occupation.

10/21/2005 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Janice said...

When I see CMAR Trip trop, who's that on the bridge comes to mind.

10/21/2005 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger CMAR II said...

heh heh, and it is I, the big billy goat Gruff.

10/21/2005 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...


Bruno wrote:

CMAR2 the point is not whether Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone, because lets face it, the majority are.

I never thought I'd see this day. Bruno has just admitted something that Khalid denies.

Is this the first fissure in the Bruno-Khalid coalition?


10/21/2005 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Janice said...

Lol CMAR I was thinking Troll (maybe you look like the one in Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone ;-))

10/21/2005 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger khalid jarrar said...

you will have your answers just when i have time to type them.

10/21/2005 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(to Monty for Pythons: I agree completely that Khalid is "an empathetically nonjudgmental individual", "extraordinarily approachable" and living in the "midst of carnage for the best part of the last three years". He has my respect and admiration for living through something I can only begin to imagine, and still keeping a good heart and mind. However, he is still naive and culturally biased about certain subjects, just as I am, and you are.)
a woman's point of view

Is the invasion of Iraq (or any other conflict in any other region) any different from what is inflicted on women and children in Africa from HIV/AIDS?

Both have victims (Iraqis / women), both have weapons (bombs, guns, torture / HIV), both have perpetrators (soldiers, insurgents / men)

Note that in Africa, *married* women have much greater rates of HIV/AIDS than single women. They get it from their husbands. Husbands who refuse to be monogamous, who refuse to use condoms, who refuse to abstain when they know they might carry the virus. The mothers pass it on to their children when they give birth. They are too poor to get proper medical treatment. They die young. Their children become orphans. Communities and the social fabric are broken.

There are big differences of course between the two situations (Iraq and AIDS in women), but fundamentally, and in their outcomes, I can't see much difference. One group with power and weapons inflicting suffering and destruction on a weaker group of people, causing damage to innocents and the greater society. Both have at their root: greed, ignorance, abuse of power, pride, and ego.

Stephen Lewis UN Special Envoy to Africa for AIDS

"His voice drops again to a whisper: "And they're all young women, they're all in their 20s and 30s. You go into a hospice, 25 beds, 23 of them filled by women in their 20s. You can't get the drugs to them in time. You know they're going to die in a matter of months. They all have children. You feel as though everything is out of kilter."


He says the HIV-AIDS assault on women has no parallel in history. "Women are the pillars of family and community -- the mothers, the caregivers, the farmers. The pandemic is preying on them relentlessly, threatening them in a way that the world has never yet witnessed. The virus threatens the very existence of women in some countries. I can barely talk about [the gender inequality] with equanimity."


Time and time again in his book and in conversation, he returns to the theme of women bearing the brunt of the pandemic -- having no control over the sex they must submit to from "predatory" men, usually their husbands, who are HIV-positive; experiencing the frightfulness not only of becoming infected themselves but of infecting their children; being denied treatment by the hundreds of thousands, and finally dying at a young age and knowing their children will be left motherless."

10/22/2005 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger Kimberly said...

Ya *7alid-

After reading insightful post after insightful post, I am none the less left with a bit of a void. After convincing me that indeed, the American occupation of Iraq is unwarranted, unwanted, and unproductive, I don't see you or any of your candid supporters offering me an alternative. Unfortunatly, what is done is done. As wrong as the invasion and subsequent occupation may be, you have a lot of educated readers who already know this. But, in this world, simply saying one side is wrong is not enough. Thus, I ask for you to give me the "Khalid Solution". I want to see what your mind has decided can happen if the Americans are ousted, because I myself do not know as much about your country as you.

To this point, I have seen that you believe Iraqs honor is at stake, and that allowing the Americans to remain under any circumstances is not an option. If the resistance wins, and the Americans are gone, what will happen?

Salaam, wa Allah M3ak...

10/23/2005 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anon to Anon said...

To: Anon 10/22/2005 02:46:32 PM

You might be naïve and culturally biased (or like to claim naïvity and cultural bias) Anon, and so may many others in this world. I am not (I do not). And having had my naivety wrenched from me at an age too early I despise and loathe others who play games with innocence. People come to their own conclusions in their own time if given the space and your pretending is not aiding the process, it is hindering it.

Begone, toads, let the young sort out their reasoning without destructive interference.

10/23/2005 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Francisco said...


We all know that the US is plenning to stay permanently in Iraq. This, of course, is utopian -as everything else done so far by the Bush regime in order to advance its agenda of colonial domination in the ME. So eventualy, the US will have to leave Iraq. The resistance -and by this I mean not only the Sunni insurgency, but all forms of resistance- will continue to grow; the brutal spiral of violence will continue in crescendo; the disintegration of Iraq will become even worse. Everyday that goes by, means that occupation will be brought to an end by increased resistance and by growing Iraqi hatred against the illegal and immoral forces of occupation. There is, unfortunately, no easy solution to the Iraqi mess caused by the US; there is no painless way out. Nonetheless the quicker the better. The Iraqi people, who live and have deep roots in Iraq, will stay there and work out a solution for their tortured country once the invadors have withdrawn. I trust more the better judgement of the Iraqi people when it comes to mending the OWN COUNTRY, than forces of occupation tha have never expressed any true concern and interest for Iraq. On the contrary, they have been only too eager to destroy Iraq. They have only been interested in promoting a democratic charade in order to legitimize a criminal occupation of a country that does not belong to them. Out of Iraq: is the only good way forward. The rest is just self-serving bullshit. A recent secret poll conducted in Iraq for the British Ministry of Defense reveals that less than 1% of the people in Iraq favor the presence of foreign forces of occupation in their country. Shouldn't this be a conclusive mandate that should put to rest the issue forever now? The vast majority of the Iraqi people want the US military forces of aggression OUT. Shouldn't that be enought? Yes, but not for people -the Bush regime- whose only argument is brute force.

10/24/2005 12:10:00 AM  
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10/24/2005 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi.. no comment, just a question.

What do you think about the parts of the proposed Iraqi constitution that seem to indicate Islam as the basis for national law? How much are other people concerned about these provisions?

In all the stories I read in the Western media, federalism and similar issues are seen as the major 'deal-breakers' esp. among Sunnis, but there's no debate going on over the provisions on religious law (or clerical-religious influence on state law).

10/24/2005 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger Aunt Najma said...

Sorry I didn't want to believe.. I had a little but I had hope too.

10/25/2005 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger cile said...

hey khalid, i tagged you for 'The Seven Things...' !!! and not only you, just had to take your whole family, but would sure like it if niki took it up as welllll :)) (see 23/10) cheerio!

10/25/2005 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...



10/25/2005 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Yas said...

Khalid Jarrah, you're so right. Its like you've written down my exact thoughts on the matter. I feel sad for you guys. Especially after reading Aunt Najma e.t.c's blogs.

Aunt Najma: Laa tahinee wa laa tahzani fa innallaha ma'aki...Inna ma'al 'usri yusra.

I seriously dont know what to say...Sad state of affairs.

10/25/2005 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Faisal ... said...

Khalid. I am afraid that the occupiers are segregating your country and they are doing this in a cunning way. Just remember the americans disguised as iraqis who were planning to set car bombs. Think of the british SAS in Basra who had to be rescued. All I can say is may Allah protect you.

10/25/2005 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

Yas and Faisal,

Listen to a fellow Arab Sandmonkey:

7 Rules of the A.P.U..


10/25/2005 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this is the unfortunate fact... and I suppose this is what we were all expecting anyway. No matter what the people wanted or said they "the government and the occupation" have a plan and everyone is suffering from it. It is a sad day and I don't know what hope the country is left with, probably this is what they meant by democracy, its a special one "DEMOCRACY THE OCCUPATION WAY"!!? Nice blog well done.


10/25/2005 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger CMAR II said...


I think it is asking way too much of the Iraqi Shi'a Arabs and Kurds--after HANDING unearned seats to Sunni Arab representatives--for all of them to get together and pretend they didn't want the constitution their elected representatives wrote.

This has nothing to do with "the occupation". You are living in a dream-world if you think that. It has to do with living in a democracy in which Sunni Arabs are only 15%-20% of the people.

The Sunni Arabs better grow up fast, and start getting ready for the upcoming elections.

10/25/2005 11:47:00 PM  
Blogger Kimberly said...

...How about anonymous people get a blog so we can read your surely unbiased and mature feelings about the world...

Your response makes it obvious that you don't really read ANY of those blogs in depth- they all are actually rather different. Either you don't read, or you just hate arabs who can write. Which one is it, darling?

10/26/2005 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cmar ii,

I honestly don't think its Shiee's - Kurds - Sunni's - Christians problem, we are all IRAQIs and I think we have the same interest at heart "I hope" a better IRAQ than what we had a place where we can finally rest in and enjoy.

I can understand that some are more excited about the new constitution than others, but I don't think the current form of the constitution helps. I don't think the percentage of Sunni's/Shia's matters here, again Iraqis can agree and disagree on many things regardless of who they are or where they came from. I am sure some sunnis said Yes and some kurds / shiees said No to the constitution (no province got 100% yes or no some have different opinion than others)... it doesn't really matter.. what matters is the end results.

Whether we like it or not and after "el-fas wika3 bel ras" we need to think & work together to move forward, and if this is the way to stop the mess I am sure we all can live with it. It is obvious that nothing is eternal, things come and go and this is probably one of them. Only few imagined that Saddam will be gone this way!

10/26/2005 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous rich said...

Hey khalid!! you ever wonder why America has never had a coup,or mass genocide or any other of the atrocities associated with a dictatorship ,in our 230 year history of a free country? That is because... we have a freedom of religion,we have freedom of press we have freedoms that come with electing our government. Do what is right get involved in your country, not by violence but by peacefull ways, through your local government.

10/26/2005 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suppose you could start a civil war. Of course the winner would be IRAN. The terrorists have comitted over 3000 attacks around the world over the last four years. Many of these attacks were in countries or areas where their are NO U.S. Forces. Until IRAQ can defend itself logic dictates you need help. Fight for your country against the true enemy, and it's not America!

10/27/2005 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger Faisal ... said...


I suppose you are forgetting the civil wars and the apartheid days when there were separate toilets for the blacks.

10/27/2005 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We sure as hell didn't have multiple Arabs rulers waitimg in the wings, praying for our failure. You know what, the rule of law and democracy won out! Free people are like large families, we fight amongst our selves, but rally to fight those outside our family, trying to destroy us.

10/27/2005 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Americas civil war(not wars), was fought over the oppression of a race of people,people that were unfairly treated because of the color of thier skin. This is the reason why we no longer have slavery in this country.
There was an end to segragation because the African-Americans at the time , led by Martin Luther King, rose up AND PEACEFULLY protested against racism and segragation.

10/28/2005 12:55:00 AM  
Blogger Faisal ... said...

Well Anonymous

It all depends how you define a civil war. Anyway, the end of slavery was the result of that particular civil war.

Though I admire the work of Martin Lutherking greatly, it took more than that to come to the 'end' of this segregation issue. America needs to do more - much more.

10/28/2005 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger Stef said...


Yes, Rosa Parks did not fought the segregation during the civil war but 50 years ago.
The US also forgot the nativ american genocide as well the 3 millons of vietamese death.
In 2005 the US shows totures , lies, gulags and shits on the rule of law.

230 year is a long path, but this not the end.
Iraq is an independant state since 1931.
Look the US history books after 74 years of independance, you will see genocide (agaisnt nativ american) , war with its neigtbourg (mexico) and an oppressiv behave against the afro-american minority.

So the US ppl should be modest when they talk about freedom, rule of law and democracy to the World unless they denied ther own History.

10/28/2005 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Frostmushroom said...

Here's comment number sixty, Mr. OCD.

Come skip rocks across a pond and blow bubbles in the woods with me.

11/01/2005 03:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

063.009 O ye who believe! Let not your wealth nor your children distract you from
remembrance of Allah. Those who do so, they are the losers.

063.010 And spend of that wherewith We have provided you before death cometh
unto one of you and he saith: My Lord! If only thou wouldst reprieve me for a little
while, then I would give alms and be among the righteous.

063.011 But Allah reprieveth no soul when its term cometh, and Allah is Informed of
what ye do.

064.001 All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifieth Allah; unto
Him belongeth Sovereignty and unto Him belongeth praise, and He is Able to do all

064.002 He it is Who created you, but one of you is a disbeliever and one of you is a
believer, and Allah is Seer of what ye do.

064.003 He created the heavens and the earth with truth, and He shaped you and
made good your shapes, and unto Him is the journeying.

064.004 He knoweth all that is in the heavens and the earth, and He knoweth what ye
conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men).

064.005 Hath not the story reached you of those who disbelieved of old and so did
taste the ill-effects of their conduct, and theirs will be a painful doom.

064.006 That was because their messengers (from Allah) kept coming unto them with
clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but they said: Shall mere mortals guide us ? So
they disbelieved and turned away, and Allah was independent (of them). Allah is
Absolute, Owner of Praise.
064.007 Those who disbelieve assert that they will not be raised again. Say (unto
them, O Muhammad): Yea, verily, by my Lord! ye will be raised again and then ye
will be informed of what ye did; and that is easy for Allah.

064.008 So believe in Allah and His messenger and the light which We have
revealed. And Allah is Informed of what ye do.

064.009 The day when He shall gather you unto the Day of Assembling, that will be a
day of mutual disillusion. And whoso believeth in Allah and doeth right, He will
remit from him his evil deeds and will bring him unto Gardens underneath which
rivers flow, therein to abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph.

064.010 But those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are owners of the
Fire; they will abide therein - a hapless journey's end!

064.011 No calamity befalleth save by Allah's leave. And whosoever believeth in
Allah, He guideth his heart. And Allah is Knower of all things.

064.012 Obey Allah and obey His messenger; but if ye turn away, then the duty of
Our messenger is only to convey (the message) plainly.

064.013 Allah! There is no God save Him. In Allah, therefore, let believers put their

064.014 O ye who believe! Lo! among your wives and your children there are
enemies for you, therefor beware of them. And if ye efface and overlook and forgive,
then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

064.015 Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with
Him is an immense reward.

064.016 So keep your duty to Allah as best ye can, and listen, and obey, and spend;
that is better for your souls. And whoso is saved from his own greed, such are the

064.017 If ye lend unto Allah a goodly loan, He will double it for you and will
forgive you, for Allah is Responsive, Clement,

064.018 Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, the Mighty, the Wise.
065.001 O Prophet! When ye (men) put away women, put them away for their (legal)
period and reckon the period, and keep your duty to Allah, your Lord. Expel them not
from their houses nor let them go forth unless they commit open immorality. Such are
the limits (imposed by) Allah; and whoso transgresseth Allah's limits, he verily
wrongeth his soul. Thou knowest not: it may be that Allah will afterward bring some

11/08/2005 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is quite something

Al Qaeda No. 2 Calls for Muslims to Start Holy War Against Israel

7/28/2006 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by Joel Phillips
owner: American Coast Title

Just watching the news from London is a reminder that we’re living in an age of terrorism. And, sad to say, almost all terrorism has something to do with Islam and Muslims, you just won’t find much of it that is not in some way connected.

Just look at a few:

First World Trade Center Attack: a blind Egyptian guy was behind it. No one contests it.

Oklahoma City: Don’t forget that McVeigh served in the first Gulf War. There is good reason to think he was recruited by jihadists in Iraq who were active at the time.

9/11: Islamic suicide extremists, forget the other theories. They were Taliban zealots hoping for 172 virgins and palaces in Islamic heaven.

Spanish train bombs: more Jihad extremists, basically the same bunch as the 9/11.

London train bombs: Not the same 9/11 and Spain guys, but British Muslims from Pakistan.

Virginia Tech: This one is so sad. Psychiatry started Cho out. Then Islamic recruiters told Cho he would get infinite sex in Muslim heaven from the 172 virgins so he converted. By trying to destroy Virginia Tech he thought he was attacking Bush’s aggression in Afghanistan.

London night club bombs: Good for the Brit cops, they have caught some of the guys and it is more of these Pakistan guys and doctors at that, some of them were even psychiatrists. Maybe it is time to have a serious think about what to do about Pakistan. Mixing up Islam, Muslims, psychiatry and Pakistan is a recipe for mass murder and terrorism. Trust me on this one.

It is no accident or coincidence the bigots who oppose religious freedom are inspired by Islamic thought.

Just look at some of the fine people on EVERY SINGLE PERSON on there is a zealot, bigot or extremist and you will find that most of them have extensive criminal records. Take a look at these criminal records and you will find the influence of Islam.

Charlotte Kates: this young woman is a card-carrying member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. They are kind of the poster child for Muslim terrorists.

Peter Alexander: this man makes hate films. He is also building some kind of an amusement park in the Arab Gulf. Is is clearly doing the bidding of Islamist extremist jihad promoting masters all the way around.

Patricia Greenway: this woman is Alexander’s business partner and lover. She likes to live the high life and Arab money helps out there. Word in Ybor City is that she has her eye on an Enzo.

Kristi Wachter: she puts out a daily hate newsletter. She has paid for the theft of materials from churches. She says she used to run a record company but how much money could it make? It seems to me she is getting her money from bin Laden and his friends.

David Touretzky: don’t be fooled. This man is not a mouse brain researcher, he is a bomb expert. Who is really paying for his research? Could it be the same bomb makers loose in Iraq?

Keith Henson: first, don’t forget that but for this man would still be on the loose. He’s not just a bomb expert but a proved bomb maker. And who wants to pay for bombs? Jihad extremists! Who is paying for him to be able to buy toothpaste in jail? Could it be a guy called Osama?

Tory Bezazian: she walked away from her husband of many years to engage in hate activities. Where does she get money? The answer is Islam. She is a directly funded agent of the Los Angeles Koranic Council.

Andreas Heldal-Lund: the man is proud to support Lars Gule who was behind bombings in the Middle East. That sort of speaks for itself now doesn’t it?

As to the site,, it is paid for 100% by my company, American Coast Title. I am one of the owners. The other two owners, Frank Berriz and Linda Blood are 100% behind what I am doing as are our parent underwriter Stewart Title. We also get pretty good support from our employees although it would be illegal of me to impose my political beliefs on them.

Does it surprise you that I am being attacked by Indonesians? Not a coincidence that Indonesia is an Islamic country. The company is willing to pay a nice reward to the person who will stand up and help me stop them. Please look at my site for details.

Expect without doubt a lot of trouble in Glendale. That’s where American Coast Title is located as well as a dense population of Armenians. The Armenians don’t like Arab Muslims so the area is getting very tense as the clock ticks down for Islamic terrorism.

So I am calling for the elimination of Islam. Many other religious choices are available. Islam must go and no Muslim can be allowed to remain anywhere in the world. No other religion is associated with state sponsored terror as documented by the US State Department Report on Terrorism. This is a strong statement but it is time to end these attacks with bombs full of nails and gas. No other group does this. It is all and always back to Islam, Muslims, the Koran and groups like the Taliban and various sleeper cells.

Stand up with me on this one. Stand tall with me against Muslims who commit mass murder hoping for 172 virgins in a palace. Stand shoulder to shoulder with me to stop the next bunch suicidal bigots from burning down your city.

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