Tell Me a Secret: A family in Baghdad...

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

A family in Baghdad...

You know what you really need to do?
go check mom's blog, and see if her last post is translated yet or not, and if it wasn't, check again later, and later, and later until you find the translation, and when you do, you read it, and then read it again, and then read it another time, and then forward it to your friends, and print a copy and let your family read it, and make another copy and hang it in your office where everyone can see it, that way you know you really did something might get you into the paradise..
is this a mom that one should be proud of or what?
I am studying, my final exams are really close, wish me luck!
Khalid*

109 Comments:

Blogger richsanter said...

Keep cool, get a good night's sleep, and don't let the nerves get you. You're a clever guy, you'll do just fine.

Good Luck!

5/25/2005 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Good luck on your finals!

Please know that many of us here in America are trying as hard as we can to end this shit as fast as we can.... keep your head down...

Cycloptichorn

5/25/2005 04:15:00 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

It's so simple it's stupid. You all want the US out of Iraq? Just stop fighting. Stop bombing, stop shooting, put down all the weapons and start helping rebuild instead of destroy. The continued resistance is perpetuating the fighting.

Mike M/MI

5/25/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Stephan said...

well mike,

let's consider this from another point of view.

as you say, "It's so simple it's stupid. You all want the US out of Iraq?" The U.S. should Just stop fighting. Stop bombing, stop shooting, put down all the weapons and start helping rebuild (by allowing Iraqis to live their own lives) instead of destroy. The continued occupation is perpetuating the fighting.

5/25/2005 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger Zorro said...

Read you blog and your mums its one of the best i have seen , good luck in your finals

5/25/2005 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Canuck said...

Good luck on your exams, Khalid!

5/26/2005 03:05:00 AM  
Blogger pietro said...

Good Luck with the exam. I hope you and your mother get to see the Iraq she envisions sooner rather than later.

5/26/2005 03:09:00 AM  
Blogger dancewater said...

Good luck Khalid on your finals!
I know you will do well.

from Mr. STUPID himself:
"Just stop fighting. Stop bombing, stop shooting, put down all the weapons and start helping rebuild instead of destroy. The continued resistance is perpetuating the fighting."

Mr. STUPID, Khalid is going to school, not fighting or bombing or shooting.... well, he has been known to shoot some film for a documentary

5/26/2005 03:25:00 AM  
Blogger dancewater said...

I can't read Arabic, but your mom's post had the year "1982" and the word "crap" in it....

my guess she is talking about Rumsfeld and Saddam, or maybe Reagan.

Just a wild guess....

5/26/2005 03:28:00 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

Stay in denial all you like. Your choices. The fact is that the gorillas are killing far more Iraqis than US citizens. If they want power, the easiest and most efficient way to get it is to fake it until the US military is gone. But no, they would rather kill there own neighbors. Not saying much for one of the oldest civilizations. What ever.

Mike M/MI

5/26/2005 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the people who want the US out also have some relation to the Sunni tribes that are suffering from the reality of not being in power. Even worse they are not in power and have been replaced by the Shite "dogs" that are not worthy of running anything.

This is the Sunni psychology. You regular folks don't get it. You are living most likely in normalized socieities where everyone shares in rights as normal citizenry.

Iraq is not like that. Iraq has been dominated by a Sunni minority for a hundreds of years. Even if you are a Sunni taxicab driver in Iraq, you feel superior to the most educated, learnt Shite.

If some people here can't figure out the distinction between all the Iraqi voters and the minority of voices from the Sunni to end the occupation, you either don't have enough knowledge or you fall readily to the propagands of the fascists, leftists, Sunni or all three.

Most likely people just don't know any better. They take all this talk of resistance at face value. The "resistance" consists of Sunni and Islamic fundamentalists who go there to find martyrdom and dozens of virgins.

Anyone who thinks the US presence is causing the fighting is either suffering from wishful thinking or in sympathy with one of the "little" three: Sunni tribalists, fascists/leftists or Islamic fundamentalists.

Khalid is a Sunni who desires socialists handouts and tribal power (for his side of course.) He doesn't care about the majority view of Iraqis (consisting of Shia, Kurds and Sunnis who support the democratic government.)

He'll actually go out of his way to perpetuate the myths of the minority in order to subvert the will of the Iraqi majority.

BTW, he didn't vote in the election either.

5/26/2005 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger little sister said...

Good luck on the finals, Khalid! Not that you really need luck...you're brilliant - because Faiza raised you that way :D

5/26/2005 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger cile said...

Noooo! Don't spend time on reading your comments. You said you were not going to read them, and besides, you have to study, aren't you? Best wishes! ;))

5/26/2005 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Frostmushroom said...

Seventeen moles of marbles worth of luck, love, and happiness. No, they aren't the big marbles. (I keep those for myself.) No, you can't tell them apart. (Sorry, just pick some randomly and you should be fine.) I know it's a lot and marbles are heavy so you'll just have to keep a handful in your bag and a handful in a jar next to your bed. The rest you can share if you like. (I won't mind.)

Khalid, I don't think I'll ever solve Isael's problems. I was thinking about it and I just don't have that kind of time. Now I have exams, in the summer I have to work (One month I'll actually have two jobs), then I have to work hard to keep my GPA up when school starts again. Next summer I'll be off to India and I'll have to prepare for college. Then years and years of college. Israel is just going to have to wait or solve its own problems. Sorry.

5/26/2005 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Glass Splinter said...

Hi, I would really love to read your mother's blog but the only languages i'm familiar with are English and Latin. If there's anyway you could translate it, I would be greatly appreaciative.

5/26/2005 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger dancewater said...

romanesq said...
Anyone who thinks the US presence is causing the fighting is either suffering from wishful thinking or in sympathy with one of the "little" three: Sunni tribalists, fascists/leftists or Islamic fundamentalists.

Fact is: this wasn't going on before the US showed up.

romanesq said...
Khalid is a Sunni who desires socialists handouts and tribal power (for his side of course.) He doesn't care about the majority view of Iraqis (consisting of Shia, Kurds and Sunnis who support the democratic government.)

well, I dunno, he seems to like the writings of his Shia mother a lot..... and he seems to care about her opinions. Why is that?

His mother didn't vote either, she said she had no idea who she was voting for..... and she was in Amman.

5/27/2005 02:37:00 AM  
Blogger pietro said...

I don't know why you're talking about romanesq. he has obviously been studying books and has gained a better understanding of Sunni iraqi's, socialists, leftists, and islamic fundamentalists than the sunnni iraqi's. Living in a system under pressure to change I'm sure all forces can be looked at like a broken cup with such well defined ideals and boundaries. Clearly there is no human element to this. Perhaps we should all read the books romanesq is looking at. Why live a life when we can simply label and define stances and draw lines so easily? I wonder if any nonliberal Americans want the U.S. out too? It is too bad those Iraqi's that are resisting are the un educated ones. Much like the young American recruits doing the killing on behalf of the U.S.(in the name of freedom and democracy). You think a fight for such a noble cause would send recruitment through the roof. For some strange reason it's grinding to a halt. American elections? People are voting with their feet. I don't believe the insurgents are having a recruitment problem. Maybe they are better educated.

5/27/2005 03:13:00 AM  
Blogger Adam said...

The computer you read was invented by a western man.

5/28/2005 03:44:00 AM  
Blogger Dominique in Paris said...

Khalid, I have been reading your mother's blog and spreading it around. She is amazing, I feel that she has the sharp insights of a George Orwell. This is a huge compliment coming from me, as I always said it was my prior readings of George Orwell (and John Le Carre) which I find more helpful when trying to figure out what is going on with Bush and the Middle-East.

And best of luck for your exams !

5/28/2005 05:59:00 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

Khalid,

Okay, my response to your mother's blog entry is up now. I think it's even-handed.

*

5/28/2005 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger fjb said...

Khalid:

Good luck on your exams. Try not to stress too much about it. Oh yah, listen to me! I've got one coming up on June first, and I'm a nervous wreck over it. I guess I should take my own advice. I'm sure you'll do just fine, and take care.

Peace,

Fiona

5/28/2005 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger Stephan said...

computer processing is based on binary code (zeros and ones). Thus, I pose the following question: wasn't "zero" an Arabic invention?

Khalid, your mom is right on. i agree with her analysis and wish that i could do more to stop u.s. imperialism from within the heart of the beast.

5/28/2005 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Programmer Craig said...

Stephan said: computer processing is based on binary code (zeros and ones)

Actually, Stephan, computery processing is based in DIGITAL ELECTRONICS. Signal/ NO signal. The binary number system is used as a convenience to represent the way digital electronics work. There are no actual numbers involved. Either there is electrical current passing through a circuit, or there isn't. But I fail to see your point. Boolean Algebra is used to design electronic circuits, and Algebra is of arabic origins. If your intent is to prove the value of Arabic mathematics in regard to computing, try that route instead of the "zero is an arabic invention" thing :D

Stephan also said: i agree with her analysis and wish that i could do more to stop u.s. imperialism from within the heart of the beast.

Stephan, the age of Imperialism ended in the 19th century. The European nations gave up the last of their colonies 50 years ago, except for the British with Hong Kong, which was more recent. The United States has never HAD a colony, and has never BEEN an Empire. The US used to BE a British colony. No, the US *had* clients, not colonies - During the Cold War. Iraq was a Soviet client, in the 70s, while Iran was a US client. After the Islamic Revolution, Iran became a soviet client, and Iraq became a US client. You know, that part that you hate so much about how the US was supporting Iraq against Iran?

That was NOT imperialism. That was war by proxy. Get your terms (and concepts) strait. Please.

Really, there was so much I wanted to say to some of these outrageous anti-American comments I saw here... but I don't even know where to start. Is it your political agendas that make you blind? Or is it simple ignorance of history? Whatever it is, it's very annoying. I understand Faiza's frustration and anger about what's going on in her country, but I don't understand all this... excuse me... BULLSHIT coming from some guy sitting in his living room in the United States talking about things he has no understanding of. You hate Bush. We get it. You hate America. We get it. You are very poorly educated. We get it.

And just so you know, I didn't support the War in Iraq. I support the War on Terrorism. The terrorists weren't in Iraq prior to the invasion, which is why I opposed it. However, the terrorists ARE in Iraq now. The only way out is forward. If you really think the best thing for Iraq right now is to bring the troops home, today, you are a damned fool. However, I doubt you'd get much argument from anybody in the US, or from the troops in Iraq. They don't want to be there, and their families want them home.

5/28/2005 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Evdea said...

good luck!

5/29/2005 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

When one speaks of facts its a dangerous venue as there are univeral realities no matter which tribe one subscribes to and here, the root of hatred for American "imperialism" and the President is readily apparent.

The idea that this warfare did not exist previously is a bane comment as in any totalitarian efficient society as Iraq was, the dirty work was done without the prying eyes nor the care of the international community nor the carping leftists who muddle about on how bad the US has made things there.

Typical to the lack of concern for the vast millions throughout Iraq. The continuing conversation along the leftists idealogical tones appears in a void where the majority of Iraqis have spoken in an election that not even the European leftists could overlook.

As for mothers, one can love one's mother but as we know if in a patriarchal society in the Sunni system, their voice is not as valid as even a Sunni teenager.
That's a reality of existing culture.

All Sunnis are not in league with the Islamic fundamentalists nor the ruthless and senseless slaughter of the Iraqi citizenry. Witness the recent battles between the Sunni and Zarqawi savages in western Iraq. The Sunni inflicted heavy losses on the Zarqawi primitves and sent a good dozen to their imaginary virgins.

Of course the inanity of some of the dialogue will ignore the reality on the ground. There is progress being made and a democratic government is moving toward development of a constitution. This in spite of the denial of the left.

It will continue and the American military will continue to support the Iraqi people on that path. It looks like the Iraqis are not picking up the pace themselves in training and fielding effective forces against the forces of darkness.

And those that don't like it can keep on carping all they want. Because the Iraqi people will not allow their freedom to be subverted.

And you can cry all you want with your anti-American rhetoric because it isn't going to change anything.

5/29/2005 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

It is neither crying, nor anti-American rhetoric to state that 300 billion dollars and 1600 dead troops later the US is no closer to rebuilding or transferring power than it was 2 years ago. Sure a symolic change in government and elctions have taken place but they do not control any other aspects of life. The security and infrastructure is still abismal. The only difference is now the US can say the Iraqi's need to get it together. This even though 150 thousand troops armed s with the best military technology in the world were unable to do it themselves. Politics is a beautiful thing. Especially when reality is not looking too good. I do not believe the American military will continue this level of support beyond the fall. This is evident in the fact that Ms. Rice is already looking for angles to include these cold blooded terrorists in the government. If resistance numbers and attacks stay at this level through the Summer the US will have great difficulty justifying this fight.Troop moral cannot be maintained if the troops feel they are fighting for a cause that is not recognized by a majority of Iraqi's. Iraqi security forces don't appear to have the same desire for the fight as US troops.

5/30/2005 04:10:00 AM  
Blogger emigre said...

Good luck with exams (will they never end).

Am off to read your mum's blog now.

5/30/2005 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

If one believes that there are no improvements throughout Iraq, then one's sources and the media in general are probably the cause. Perhaps a search on the web will uncover the vast riches of information on the changes throughout Iraq.

But then again, perhaps not. Don't go where the truth contradicts beleif.

And on this important day in America a few words from a great American of the once great Democratic Party:

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.
Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.

Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.

Zell Miller

Somehow I don't thik that George Bush will be making Iraq an exception to this tradition.

5/30/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger richsanter said...

[Michael] “It's so simple it's stupid. You all want the US out of Iraq? Just stop fighting.”

Appeasement with tyrants never works, wasn’t that the argument that the US was making before invading? Except, of course, that Iraq is in worse shape under US tyranny than Saddam Hussein’s tyranny. If Iraqis stop fighting, then their country will be under the US jackboot forever, that’s the reality. And, blaming the Resistance for the damage done to the country is like blaming a rape victim for her injuries because she resisted instead of lying back and “enjoying it.”

You people are sick.


[Romanesq] “. Even worse they are not in power and have been replaced by the Shite [sic] "dogs" that are not worthy of running anything. This is the Sunni psychology. You regular folks don't get it.”

No, what regular folks like us don’t get is how asswipes like you with vacuum in their heads (Baathists = Communists, LOL!) go around pontificating to others about matters which they know nothing about.

FYI, asswipe, the biggest demonstration against the US Occupation was held by Muqtada Al Sadr’s group in Firdous Square (together with Sunnis) and he is most definitely Shiite. Estimates of the demonstration ranged from 200 – 300 000 people. I have yet to see ANY demonstration of even a fraction of that number FOR the Occupation.

[romanesq] “Even if you are a Sunni taxicab driver in Iraq, you feel superior to the most educated, learnt Shite [sic].”

That statement can hold some degree of truth if one reverses it and applies it to dumbass Americans like yourself, who feel superior to far more educated non-Americans. You really are a joke, coming here parading your ignorance before your betters; parading your ignorance as if it were something to be proud of.

Take this for example:

[romanesq] “Khalid is a Sunni who desires socialists handouts and tribal power”

That is indicative of the closed mindset that you have, mouse. If it’s anti American, it must be *eek* Communist or *eek* Socialist. There are no alternative explanations for antagonism, such as the destruction of their country.

Khalid’s family is fairly well off; indeed, they COLLECT money and use it to buy medical supplies for CHARITY to try and compensate for the damage which YOUR country has inflicted. Again: they are the ones GIVING the “socialist handouts”. God, you’re pathetic.

[romanesq] “the majority of Iraqis have spoken in an election that not even the European leftists could overlook.”

Uh, and even if one could accept in some way the results as ‘legitimate’, what do they say? The will of the people has hardly been reflected, given that 69% of Shiites and 82% of Sunnis want the US to withdraw its troops, according to the January 2005 Abu Dhabi TV poll.

[romanesq] “…the American military will continue to support the Iraqi people on that path.”

Good, then obey the majority will of the Iraqi people and piss off.



[Craig] “The terrorists weren't in Iraq prior to the invasion, which is why I opposed it. However, the terrorists ARE in Iraq now. The only way out is forward.”

Craig, the fact of the matter is, practically all those fighting against the US in Iraq right now are indigenous Iraqis. They are not terrorists, they are freedom fighters. It would be true, however, to say that the invasion of Iraq has been seen in a very bad light by other Muslims and Arabs, and that in fact the US presence there is contributing to increased Al Qaeda recruitment worldwide, coupled with diminished support for the US.

“Forward” would be to try to piece together a diplomatic solution to this mess, from the ground up, instead of trying to impose solutions from the top down. The US is not at all listening to what the majority Iraqi opinion on the street has to say. If one looks at the polls, for example, only the Kurds see the US as a positive force in Iraq.

[craig] “… I didn't support the War in Iraq. I support the War on Terrorism.”

Good. I’m glad that you see that there is a difference.

Because there is.

Not only are you fighting against a people that never wanted to fight you in the first place, you are also turning them into enemies. You are making sacks of shit like Saddam look good by comparison, which is even sadder. Worst of all, you are sowing the seeds for future conflict from which you will reap a bitter harvest, I fear.

6/01/2005 05:48:00 AM  
Blogger jmcmaster said...

Absolutly a great post by your mom, that is a super blog. I have even tried out a few of the recipies (they came out awesome). Unfortunalty michael (classic cowboy) is the majority here in the U.S. his ignorance is common and spread everyday by the media and the current administration. I wish you peace and hopefully this country will wake up and smell the coffee. Bush will take a stand against shavio and stem cell research claiming all life is precious, then go and bomb the fuck out of you?

6/01/2005 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Yeah I read mom's blog and it's rather suspect. She claims that the resistance denies the bombing of civilians. How does she make this claim when Al Qaida and Zarqawi not only take responsibility but defend their killing of Iraqi civilians and justify it.

Yet, her word that the resistance makes a denial of this raises up the shadowy conspiracy theory so popular in the Mideast culture. It's not the obvious, it's the shadowy conspiracy at work.

That's a bizarre psychology but the more atypical placing of blame for everything and anything lies at the feet of you guessed it the amoral Americans.

She prattles on about the destruction of Afghanistand and Iraq. Who has been killing and oppressing these people? It isn't Americans.

This is some very interesting but deluded psychology. One doesn't need to hear the facts and speak to it, just one's conspiracy is all that is required.

This poor lady is in a world of her own. Iraq is on the verge of achieving its life and she sees only its end, at the hand of the US of course.

(Notice the typical Arabic mentality that they have no responsibility for the society around them. It's always someone else's fault. Not too infrequently, it's that little sliver of land, the joooooooosss.)

Poor lady. But this is what she chooses to believe and the civilian murders does lead to demoralization. Tapes of the murderers lay out their desire to kill civilians and turn the people against the government and US. That is their hope but mom I think is just part of a minority. A sad, tragic demoralized minority that finds it all too simple to dismiss the barbarity of the terrorists as being by someone else, even when they publicly take credit for the killing.

That's a sad world to be living in. I feel bad for her.
Poor woman thinks her salvation will come from the very people out to destroy the people.

6/02/2005 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Ah to be such an angry person named Bruno. This bufoon actually cites Sadr and a protest as representative of Iraq.

Last time I look, Sadr had pretty much gotten his ass handed to him as his brutes were far more deadly in facing civilians than the Marines. He didn't elicit much of a turnout in the election now did he?

Yes, the US should leave now because some poll said they should. Sorry Bruno, you are dumb as a rock if you think that is going to influence anyone. I will continue to support freedom and the Coalition in Iraq, not the communists and socialists anywhere.

There will be an Iraqi constitution and an election at year's end. There won't be any decisions made by this poll or any Al Jazeera programming between now and the election.

But at least you provide some humor. Don't you have an EU constitution to go bury. Well get on with it. And Bathists are not communists, they are just different labels that justify employing the same means.

6/02/2005 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

I have been assuming your a well educated person with some sense of politics, but the more I read your comments the more I believe you've been stuck in a shack in some southern state. I don't want to be more specific at the risk of insulting an innocent southern state.

The denials appear to exist on all sides and don't amount to much one way or another. A minimum of 10 to 20 thousand US civilian families now have to deal with the loss or severe injuring of a loved one. Although I belive both sides are responsible I also believe if any side was to be more cautious it would be the insurgent side. Given that these are for the most part their countrymen and recent American history, ie. Vietnam 4 million Vietnamese - 60 000 American casualties. One can talk about smart weapons, and consciousness but numbers do not lie. This is an ugly war and people are dying. The problem is one group doing the killing has no reason to be there other than promoting its nobility and righteousness. Perhaps if the Iraqi's would just move like the Palestinians have done the problem would be solved. I do agree that there is not much of a conspiracy here. The American government has picked this fight and is having it no matter what world opinion is. As far as the killing and oppressing it just appears to have reached a new level.

I cannot agree with the demoralized minority part of your argument however. These poor demoralized people appear to be giving the richest most powerful nation on Earth, and therefore, most right nation on the planet, a hell of a hard time. You would think these poor demoralized people would be jumping at the chance to be like Americans especially since they would have all those oil riches to let them live in prosperity.

US interests in the middle East can be summed up quite easily. 50 million for the Palestinians, as of now 300 billion, 10 000 casualties, and whatever else it takes to keep Iraq from becoming a financially influential country in the region, 5 -10 billion a year for Israel.

A few smart investors given the 300 billion could have achieved a much better outcome with far fewer lives lost than this fiasco. This is a public relations nightmare at a very high cost. I don't know what news reports you've been reading, but I do know the literacy rates in many Middle Eastern countries is on the rise. The US might have to buy up all the newspapers soon.

As for mom's blog I think we could all learn a lot from being so poor and demoralized.

6/02/2005 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Wow, well, guess I will weigh in on this one too.
What we have here is common circular arguments based on opposing premises. One, says that all the world would be better as American models, therefore, by replacing the old Iraqi gov't by any means necessary with a more Western one, would profit all. The second infers that the US has become a glutton of all resources, and wishes to enforce Pax Americana on some sort of "Democratic Empire" with Iraq being the first PRIMARY province (although there may be some arguement that Afghanistan should be considered the first).
Ask the supporters of EITHER of these arguments and they will vehemently (read the comments above) defend their position. They will also discount the views of ANYONE who might disagree, call them Apologists, or Traitors. What we have here is a need for Moderation. I know how both sides see Middle-of-the-Roaders as soon to be *Road-Kill*, ie. those to be run over as quickly as possible as many times as possible. However, neither of the Extremist versions will ever win out. All extremist versions are dead-ended.
Let us look at the moot points.
1) The Coalition is in Iraq until the Gov't of the Country asks them to leave.
2) The ultimate goal of the Insurgency/Resistance is the departure of the Coalition and some sort of Gov't in Iraq.
3) Average Iraqis pay every day for the conflict between the two with loss of life and property.
4) Neither side REALLY cares about the damage caused in the Short-run.
5) The choice to continue the fight lies with the Resistance, NOT the Coalition.
6) If fighting stopped, the Coalition would SOON go home because the populace of those respective Nations would demand it.
SOMEWHERE in the MIDDLE lies the answer, but to yell and scream about whether the invasion was legal; or to claim that all of the Insurgency is made up of foreign fighters and therefore not home-grown are both begging the point and get no where.
If all parties do not look beyond their noses, this is going to get REAL long and MUCH more bloody. I don't think anybody but AlQueda wants that.

6/02/2005 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

I agree with all your points except number 6. You would need to explain why inhabitants who are incurring much less expense and have inhabitted the lands will need to desist. Which of course is the main circular part of the argument. I believe if you are as a world power going to make a decision that is going to affect millions of people and global economies you need to be responsible for the consequences.

What the US is trying to do is secure interests in the region and I have no qualms with that reality.

There inability to admit it and attempts to rap it in glory and civilization does not go over with me . This is the same European attitude we had toward many Native cultures and I am not sure they ever stopped fighting as governments are still trying to exterminate them. Perhaps had they just given up their culture and their resistance we would have left them alone too. We are in the business of exterminating cultural relations and justify it by espousing we will build newer and better ones. The fighting hasn't stopped and the coalition has started for home. Even Iraqi ministers are beginning to feel worried about this. The diplomats have been busy and the UN has agreed to extend the mission date, but this appears to be a weak signal of support. The American people will be speaking about the costs of this mission in the near future just as the citizens who are no longer enlisting are casting their ballots. As long as the US looks politcally weaker the insurgents will not stop fighting.

The coalition is getting a little desperate and you can see this in their sudden need to advertise their latest offensives and put a positive spin on things despite the fact that every long term prognosis predicts a very long fight ahead. Lucky for me I don't have to wait out this American adventure in Iraq.

6/02/2005 11:29:00 PM  
Blogger richsanter said...

Romanesq --

Christ, you really are a dumb one aren’t you? Let’s take a look at this crud that you churn out.

[rom] “She claims that the resistance denies the bombing of civilians. How does she make this claim when Al Qaida and Zarqawi not only take responsibility but defend their killing of Iraqi civilians and justify it.”

Zarqawi (if he was not actually killed long ago) and Al Qaeda have little to nothing to do with legitimate Iraqi Resistance. If he lives, (and is not actually a CIA propaganda operation like the US loves to run to discredit its opponents) I’ll tell you that I pray every day for a US bomb to fragment him. Reality check: the REAL Iraqi resistance disclaims the killing of civilians, and condemns it. To whit:

From Juan Cole:

“STATEMENT OF THE ANTI-OCCUPATION PATRIOTIC FORCES

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate

The anti-occupation Iraqi patriotic forces met in Um al-Qura Mosque on February 15, 2005 to discuss the present situation and its implications on all levels.
[…]
3) Acknowledgement of the principle of the right of the Iraqi people to reject occupation; recognition of the Iraqi resistance and its legitimate right to defend its country and its resources; rejection of terrorism which takes aim at innocent Iraqis, facilities and institutions of public utility, and places of worship -- mosques, husseiniyyat [Shia religious centers], churches and all holy places.”

Repeat, for Romanesq : “… rejection of terrorism which takes aim at innocent Iraqis, facilities and institutions of public utility, and places of worship …”

Get it?

Secondly, your “conspiracy theories” are often all too real. For example, look at the toppling of Saddam’s statue in Firdous Square, which was paraded as a “genuine” expression of the Iraqi people, but now the news comes through that it was actually a psyops operation staged by the US military. Take the bombings in Iran, 1950’s, which were conducted via the CIA against the Mullahs and then blamed on the Communists in order to overthrow Mossadeq.

Reality check for naïve idiots: The US can, has, and does indulge in dirty tricks. There is no reason to believe that this war is any different to the others.

[rom] “Notice the typical Arabic mentality that they have no responsibility for the society around them. It's always someone else's fault.”

Notice the typical American war monger dumbfuck mentality that thinks it is never responsible for foreigners it kills or the consequences of its actions. US bombs don’t shred innocent people to splinters of bone and bloody pulp … no … they cause completely justifiable “collateral damage”.

[rom] “Ah to be such an angry person named Bruno. This bufoon [sic] actually cites Sadr and a protest as representative of Iraq. He didn't elicit much of a turnout in the election now did he?”

Ah, to be so stupid as Romanesq.

The guy who thinks Baathists and Communists are the same.
The guy who tries to twist his argument that it is primarily the Sunnis that are resisting Occupation when he is proved wrong, by trying to make the point that Sadr is ‘unrepresentative’ of Iraq.
The guy who thinks 200 – 300 000 protesters is to be waved away as something of little consequence.
The guy who does not realize that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that Sadr put forward as proxy candidates was elected into the government.
The guy who can’t even spell “buffoon”, which he most certainly is.

[rom] “Yes, the US should leave now because some poll said they should. Sorry Bruno, you are dumb as a rock if you think that is going to influence anyone.”

No, I don’t think that a poll will influence the US government at all. I think mangled and limbless US soldiers returning to the US will have that effect.

Polls do, however, have a purpose in debate, as they are handy tools with which to show one’s antagonists the reality of the situation and how clueless and misguided they are.


[rom] “And Bathists [sic] are not communists, they are just different labels that justify employing the same means.”

Ah, back peddling are we? Open a book, huh? If the “means employed” are cause for grouping disparate groups together, then you should realize that “American” fits snugly between “Baathist” and “Communist”.



DaKruser --

Your voice is one that can actually be reasoned with, unlike dumbfucks like Romanesq above. As you can imagine, I am one of those who leans towards the “Pax Americana” side of things. This does not necessarily mean that I discount the Western model of government, however. I am skeptical of US intentions because the Neo conservatives that wrote documents proposing the advantages of a Pax Americana, are precisely those in power today, and they are implementing the policies that they advocated before they were voted into office. So far events on the American side have closely followed their script; it’s the blasted natives that won’t play ball.

I’ll answer your points as honestly as possible:

[dk] 1) The Coalition is in Iraq until the Gov't of the Country asks them to leave.

That’s the theory. In practice, there are ways around this, including manipulation of the organs of government, financial coercion and more. IMO the US is in Iraq until IT decides to leave, or until the Resistance inflicts sufficient casualties so as to turn the US public against the war.

[dk] 2) The ultimate goal of the Insurgency/Resistance is the departure of the Coalition and some sort of Gov't in Iraq.

Yes. Although the political objectives are roughly defined.

3) Average Iraqis pay every day for the conflict between the two with loss of life and property.

Yes.

4) Neither side REALLY cares about the damage caused in the Short-run.

Probably not. The results from the ground indicate that the Resistance’s primary aim is the elimination of US influence in Iraq, and vice versa.

5) The choice to continue the fight lies with the Resistance, NOT the Coalition.

NO. The US initiated the fight, therefore the onus is on it to end hostilities. The US is the aggressor, the Iraqis are defending. International laws and customs clearly put the US in the wrong.

6) If fighting stopped, the Coalition would SOON go home because the populace of those respective Nations would demand it.

NO. The “coalition” nations were unaffected by the populace of their nations demonstrating against war before the war; they are unaffected by their populace right now, as their citizens are being killed overseas … why is there any reason to believe that if the fighting stops, the US will leave? Why would it leave Iraq, if nobody forces it to? Spain is a case in point where the population was overwhelmingly anti war, yet it’s government ignored that sentiment and went to Iraq anyway.

You want a solution? The US sets a provisional departure date contingent on Resistance cessation of violence. Let it toss the ball back into the side of the Resistance half of the court. And let’s see what happens. At the moment the US has zero credibility in Iraq. It is up to IT to prove its good intentions.


Pietro –

I don’t know if you noticed, but the size of the Resistance has been quietly upgraded from the old, much talked about figure of 20000 to “between 20 and 50 000”, during which time the US army is supposedly killing hundreds (supposedly 1500 during August 2004) of these fighters every month. That leaves us with the uncomfortable conclusions that either: (a) the Iraqis have the ability to resurrect themselves, or (b) the Resistance is a lot larger and growing faster than they think or (c) the US military is killing Iraqis, but not necessarily the fighters.

There are many more years of this slog ahead, despite what Mr Cheney may think.

6/03/2005 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Some folks here create arguments based on premises of their own making. It's hardly noteworthy to argue on that terrain and no need to do so.

The totalitarians of all stripes can defend their actions and their cohorts any which way they like but their actions on the ground irrespective of the quoted leftists sympathizers does not change that reality.

Useless statements issued by the "true" mythical resistance is in fact a propgaganda ploy. Iraqis living in the midst of terrorists attacks can hardly sleep well knowing that the true intentions of this conflicts with the daily suicide bombings on civilians everywhere with the obvious intent to formulate civil conflict.

That people here fail to see the obvious intent of the "resistance" shows how obtuse they've become in defending any and all barbarity in the name of decrying the US.

People theorizing that if the US would leave there would be no more violence since the resistance would have accomplished their objective are beyond naive.
The fight on the ground is between the majority of Iraqis who wish to establish a republican and representative government and the totalitarian forces who have alligned themselves in a marriage of convenience.

Some people here are blinded by their hatred and fail to see the obvious. There is clearly a majority of Iraqis who are fighting for their future in a non-totalitaian state.

I believe they will have it. Regardless of the idealogues here who could care less about the Iraqi people now or the brutality suffered under the Bathists. You can hear the foaming hatred of the US above all else.

There is little worth discussing with idealogues who proclaim legitimacy in Sadr or a "resistance" deemed heroic and noble as it blindly lashes out in a fury of haphazard death.

In the end, they are all showing what they are: losers.

6/03/2005 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Bruno and Romanesque,
Let me address first and foremost the disagreement that you both had with my statement that with peace will come a withdrawl of the majority of US troops, and the opening of Iraq to government OF the Iraqis, FOR the Iraqi's, and BY the Iraqis. Paraphrased credits go to one of our GREATEST Presidents in his darkest hour.
Bruno hints that the Administration of the US Gov't has full intentions of Iraq remaining some sort of an Occupied Nation, if not simply annexed in whole by the dastardly US.
Romanesq basically agrees that there is something deeper here than the formation of a Nation-State, and that I am naive.
Let us once more look at the facts. This administration, though their supporters CROW about a CLEAR MANDATE won the election by a rather narrow margin. Their Deep Conservative Base did NOT win this election for them. Fact is, the mass of voters chose to continue their "reign" because of specifically one issue. That was the War on Terror. More of the Moderates of this nation threw in with Bush because they didn't want to "change boats in Mid-stream". I did not vote for this Admin, but many I know and respect did for just that reason. That is the way Americans are. HOWEVER, the VAST majority of Americans have no intentions of supporting any further hijinks after all we have learned in Iraq.
When Iraq is quiet, and it will occur, as the Resistance/Insurgency is like a flame that burns brightest just before it goes out, the population of the US will call for the troops to come home.
The military's "Op-Tempo" has been so high that the Reserves/Nat'l Guard have not been either, but basically have been co-opted into the active duty. They are tired and ready to go back to their real jobs. Do not let anyone think that this indicates some sort of "rebellion" within the ranks. The forces of the United States WILL STAY until the job is done, but when that is accomplished....the results will show for themselves.
I am neither an appologist, nor naive. I am a Moderate who recognizes WHERE the US is, WHAT we have decided we must do, and THE RESULTANT ACTIONS that will occur once that is done.

6/03/2005 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

I've not directed my remarks to any one poster nor do I conclude that any position predicated on a moderate US position is naive.

I do think that the overall strength behind the President will remain as the threats are not going to be reduced to pre-9-11 levels. Those days are passed and the asymetrical threat will never be far from the hands of terrorists going forward. That's a reality and President Bush will not run from it.

I believe the US will follow through and complete the job of liberating the Iraqi people from their oppressors and that they will chose a republican form of federalism.

As for others who claim some lofty platitudes of the murderous/terroristic "resistance" I see little reason to continue to attempt any dialogue with such infantile nihilism. Particularly when they attempt to recolor straightforward comments or cast arguments over that despicable thug Sadr as a legitimate political force; it's certainly not worth the bother.

6/03/2005 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

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6/04/2005 01:51:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

This is some significant insights above in a broader and much more detailed context than I understood. As a whole many Palestinians that came to Iraq did so under the graces of Saddam and were very loyal to him. In fact they were so loyal that some rose to high rank in the secret police. That's no small feat when you consider how tribal even a secular society under the mirrored Stalinist society the Bathists created.

So if the above facts by Jeffrey are all correct, then what we have is an actual blog by one of the favored sons of the Bathists regime and blogs by the Bathists priviledged class.

Now the picture becomes much clearer.

6/04/2005 02:43:00 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

romanesq,

I've enjoyed your posts. They are very thoughtful and well-written.

I've been following the Jarrars for a couple years now. Raed and I had an email correspondence for a while in the past, where we flamed each other a bit but also had serious exchanges. It's sad to see someone like Raed who does have a lot to offer to Iraq's future refuse to take advantage of this window for democracy.

The majority of details in the above post are accurate. They come from having read everything the Jarrars have written (including their
War Diaries) and from exchanges. I even got to talk to the youngest Jarrar, Majid, for about an hour when he was here in New York for a visit.

Faiza is, to me, representative of a very confused type of Arab who struggles daily with the reality of the situation in the Middle East. On some days she accepts responsibility for the region's problems; other days she takes the easy way out and blames America. It's always a roller-coaster ride with her.

Other Iraqis have commented on the Jarrars' privileges. I think, for example, that Raed was exempted from military service while his friend Ghaith Abdul-Ahad had to go into hiding to get out of the army.

Raed got involved with the self-hating Americans at Indymedia and after the war the Jarrar house in Baghdad became a required stop for the all the Bushitlerites. They twisted their minds but good.

Okay, more later.

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6/04/2005 03:27:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Well Jeffrey, I appreciate your posts and the background which was much more extensive than I had. I just remember emailing with Khalid a little here and there then I was insulted for suggesting what alternative did he have to offer, re: return of the previous regime.

That really seemed to hit a nerve. When I wrote that, it was more along the lines of, why are you complaining and whining all the time? What is your alternative? What are you doing for your country? What do you want the former regime back?

The answer was insulting and I didn't take it to heart as I know being in a war zone can not be too enjoyable even if it is replacing a murderous tyrant. But then again, if you are a beneficiary of the murderous tyrant, then that's a different story altogether.

I come here as I know there will be plenty of anti-Americanism available. I find it hilarious to see these people twist reality into knots defending the murderous terrorists and attacking the US relentlessly.

I don't spend any time writing this stuff. I just type it out once on the fly and post. Sometimes, I'll have a typo as a result. But no big deal.

Now that I know the connections re: the blog of Raed, it's much worse. That's the most hate-filled, propaganda laden stuff I've seen almost anywhere.

Okay, so maybe I don't see enough propaganda to compare, but then again, Pravda's been down for a while and I don't read Al Jazeera too often.

You really blew me away with your background information. I felt bad for the mom, but now I really feel bad for her as she's obviously a sad person.

6/04/2005 03:49:00 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

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6/04/2005 04:31:00 AM  
Blogger Striver said...

...Interesting!

6/04/2005 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Stephan said...

what are you folks smoking?

The U.S. attacked a sovereign nation not to instill democracy (a puppet government answerable to the U.S. is closer to the mark), but for the purposes of economic (read oil) and military control. All this predicated upon a war based upon lies (imminent threat from weapons of mass destruction being a fabrication as recent British documents show).

Why condemn the Jarrars? They have acted with far greater humanity than many of the writers on this blog. When the U.S. bombed, strafed, released cluster bombs, and hit Fallujah with chemical weapons, the Jarrars collected money for the victims. Out of the tens of thousands of deaths, the U.S. government, its army, and its mercenaries are responsible for the majority.

The idea of U.S. imposed democracy in Iraq is bullshit. "Democracy" under occupation has resulted in the installation of a puppet government beholden to the U.S. and propped up in power by the U.S. This is NOT a government which represents Iraqis. Take a vote today and Iraqis would demand U.S. withdrawal. If this supposedly democratically elected government represented the people's wishes, it would demand likewise.

Bush - in his narrow might makes right approach, ignore the Geneva Conventions, suck up the oil and make it ours, establish permanent military bases - has alienated most of the world (with good reason). In my view we (americans) and the world in general are far less secure than before the invasion of iraq. where the u.s. had millions of skeptics (and perhaps enemies) in the mideast, it now has tens (maybe hundreds) of millions.

6/05/2005 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

Stephan,

>Take a vote today and Iraqis would demand U.S. withdrawal.

Recent polls suggest otherwise.

But you should also understand that I would have no problem at all with American forces coming home NOW.

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6/05/2005 01:41:00 AM  
Blogger Stephan said...

A recent poll estimates that 71% of Iraqis consider Americans occupiers. 57% polled want immediate withdrawal. I would guess the latest figures are even less supportive of continued occupation.

See:

Poll: Iraqis out of patience
By Cesar G. Soriano and Steven Komarow,USA TODAY

BAGHDAD — Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll. (Graphic: Iraqis surveyed)

....

But while they acknowledge benefits from dumping Saddam a year ago, Iraqis no longer see the presence of the American-led military as a plus. Asked whether they view the U.S.-led coalition as "liberators" or "occupiers," 71% of all respondents say "occupiers."


That figure reaches 81% if the separatist, pro-U.S. Kurdish minority in northern Iraq is not included. The negative characterization is just as high among the Shiite Muslims who were oppressed for decades by Saddam as it is among the Sunni Muslims who embraced him.


The growing negative attitude toward the Americans is also reflected in two related survey questions: 53% say they would feel less secure without the coalition in Iraq, but 57% say the foreign troops should leave anyway. Those answers were given before the current showdowns in Fallujah and Najaf between U.S. troops and guerrilla fighters.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm

6/05/2005 04:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so jeffrey got has ass kicked all over Raed's blog and got caught red-handed lying, spreading false information about the Jarrars, quoting Raed out of context, and being called out as the liar he is, so he decided to come here to Khalid's blog to try his old tricks once again.

Some of the many lies he tells are:

Jeffrey lie #1: Raed in unemployed and lives off his parents

the truth: everyone knows that Raed is gainfully employed as an architect, and he has even posted some of his recent projects online. Nor does Raed live with his family, him and his fiancee live in their own apartment.

Jeffrey lie #2: The Jarrars are taking money from the humanitarian campaign they run

the truth: the Jarrars have painstakingly accounted for every penny received from the campaign. All the receipts, along with photos of medicines, evidence of them being delivered to hospitals are all posted online.

jeffrey lie #3: The Jarrars prospered under Saddam and have a penthouse in Amman

the truth: The Jarrars are a hard working family of professionals (engineers)whose financial situation before and after the war has remained unchanged. They have a modest apartment in Amman, pictures of which can be found on Raed's and Faiza's blogs.

Jeffrey lie #4: Raed is a Baa'thist

The truth: As one of the only bloggers who was writing BEFORE the war, Raed was outspoken against Saddam both before and after the U.S. invasion.

I could go on, but will stop here. The biggest evidence that the Jarrars are none of the awful things Jeffrey accuses them of is that he has been posting lies about them for months on their sites, attempting to contact them by email and otherwise, and yet the Jarrars, in their DEMOCRATIC spirit, have let him rant on and on, without erasing his lies from their sites.

If Jeffrey's so-called revelations were true, khalid and raed would have erased them from the pages of their blogs.

6/05/2005 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

>If Jeffrey's so-called revelations were true, khalid and raed would have erased them from the pages of their blogs.

Spoken like a true Ba'athist sympathizer.

Indeed.

Erase the truth.

According to Raed, he DOES NOT READ the comments pages.

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6/05/2005 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Well the US has successfully set up its puppet governments in Japan, Germany, Grenada, Panama, etc., so why should Iraq be any different.

Iraq is taking more of the security into its hands and another unit has assumed control over part of Bagdad among other areas.

There's going to be a republic in Iraq. And I think some statues of the current President too.
The vast majority of deaths in Iraq were due to the Baathists and their fundamentalist brethren. Strewing mindless propaganda isn't going to change that.

Looking back at an old Khalid post after Saddam was captured, he himself expresses sympathy for people who feel bad when he went to class. He also makes a positive statement about the capture in the same class.

Although the poor kid has been clearly schooled in the art of political correctness, he doesn't apply it quite properly albeit earnestly in regard to the National Leader.

As for the modest living of the Jarrars, I also noticed Khalid complaining about gas shortages and that Mercedes should give gas for their three Mercedes Benz.

So please continue with more rubbish about the modest professionals in Iraq. If you amass three Mercedes under Saddam's tutelage, you gotta be doing something right.

From a Baathists perspective of course.

6/05/2005 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

The poor demoralized Jarrars have finally been presented with some wonderful advice from someone with the skills of a psychiatrist and cunning of a private detective. Another unrequested offer of American sympathy and concern. They must be getting numb with the kindness and concern being shown.

Even the American pharmaceutical industry has been mentioned. With its wide variety of drugs and advertisements for them I am sure they will soon be getting unsolicited advice on dosages and types they can take. If the media can't make you see things their way perhaps some of the drugs they sell can. Judging by a few of the latest blogs it appears a couple of you are sharing too much Viagra.

If a family in such disarray were blogging with such incredulous allegations why would one have to research and attempt to discredit such poor and demoralized people? For really, who could they be threatening? Perhaps those who are consumed with dicrediting them? Is this a reflection of US policy as a whole but on a much smaller scale? These poor uncivilized people can't even tell how sick they are. I think puppets can take many forms and it appears the US is carrying the same European mentality into Iraq as the Europeans carried into the Americas a few hundred years ago. ie. the poor Native need to find God. We can all look forward to a lot more unsolicited advice from our American friends and I am sure we will be much better off with it, and if not well we can always get a prescription. Perhaps we need to by Fords too.

6/06/2005 03:12:00 AM  
Blogger Janice said...

Jeffrey is a Lunatic.

6/06/2005 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Oh Dear Allah, why don't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
Janis Joplin

Or three in this case.

6/06/2005 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger richsanter said...

Oh God, the Arch-Sniveller Jeffrey is back for another round at spreading manure on the name of the Jarrars.

I guess his life is so boring and pathetic in the US that he feels the need to be some sort of “leader” in his endless quest for acceptance. In between, of course, advocating the spreading of “creamy shit” on both the faces of Arabs as well as the Koran, and making remarks to the effect of Arabs being the most pathetic bunch of losers he has ever encountered and that they ought to dance around their “stupid black rock” in Egypt, away from the “oil taps”.

That IS what you said, isn’t it, Jeffrey?

Yes, he’s one of the “good guys”. HE is the guy who truly cares about Arabs and Muslims in particular.

I find it fitting that Jeffrey the Dung Collector (that is what you do, isn’t it, Jeffrey – collect and spread dung?) thinks that the resident retard, Romanesq, writes “thoughtful and well written” posts.

‘nuff said.



Romanesq --

[rom] "Useless statements issued by the "true" mythical resistance is in fact a propgaganda [sic] ploy. "

Except for that this "useless statement" was signed by:

"Signatories: 1-al-Sadr's Current; 2-The al-Khalesiyya [Shia] School; 3-Association of Muslim Scholars; 4-Patriotic Front for the Liberation of Iraq [umbrella organization of several groups, predominantly Arab nationalists, including former Baathists]; 5-Iraqi Patriotic Founding Congress; 6-Popular Council for Culture and Arts; 7-Nasserite Vanguard Party; 8-Council of Woman's Will; 9-People's Unity Party [Communist]; 10-Movement of the Arab Nationalist Current; 11-Party of Reform, Justice and Democracy;12-United Iraq Party; 13-Islamic Bloc; 14-Nationalist Democratic Party; 15-United Patriotic Movement; 16-Regroupment for Iraq; 17-Progressive Union of Iraqi Students; 18-Arab Regroupment in Kirkuk; 19-Popular Nationalist Party; 20-Arab Socialist Movement (Patriotic Command); 21-Union of republic's Women; + seven individual personalities."
[from cole's informed comment]


[rom] "There is little worth discussing with idealogues [sic] who proclaim legitimacy in Sadr or a "resistance" deemed heroic and noble as it blindly lashes out in a fury of haphazard death."

Oh, that's right, the Resistance wants to promote "sectarian conflict" so that its Sunni and Shia members can kill each other. Yep, that makes sense. If one is an idiot, that is. An idiot like Romanesq, perhaps, who is UNABLE to grasp the fact that Sadr is a LEGITIMATE (if distasteful) force within Iraq, not only through the massive support he commands (where's YOUR rally, sucker?) not only through the blood of his father, shed in rebellion against Hussein, but ALSO through the simple fact that his representatives sent to the elections WERE ALL ELECTED.

You can roll that and smoke it.

[rom] "I find it hilarious to see these people twist reality into knots defending the murderous terrorists and attacking the US relentlessly."

Except for the tiny FACT that factually, you have been repeatedly incorrect in your statements, demonstrating not only a deep ignorance of the issues at hand but also your stubborn stupidity in persisting upon a course even though you have been debunked on it. Oh, wait, you're not saying Ba'athists = Communists any more, so perhaps there IS a dim flicker of insight guttering in the darkness of your intellect ... ?

And for the embarrassing detail that "these people" have been correct in their statements and their conclusion that, given its current actions, America DESERVES to be attacked relentlessly, until it changes course.

6/06/2005 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Baathists, communists, Sadr, Bruno.
Same shit.

6/06/2005 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger emigre said...

The same old same old, so many comments, so much hairsplitting.

It's quite simply really. War is ugly and nobody wants it.

No war.

6/06/2005 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

Brunhilda,

I see that you have been reading my my numerous with care. Thank you.

You summarize:

>[Jeffrey advocates] the spreading of “creamy shit” on both the faces of Arabs as well as the Koran, and making remarks to the effect of Arabs being the most pathetic bunch of losers he has ever encountered and that they ought to dance around their “stupid black rock” in Egypt, away from the “oil taps”.

Whoa! Those incendiary statements did outrage the peanut gallery.

Heh heh.

Yup. I did write those things. Ain't it awful, Brunhilda?

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6/06/2005 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Inflamitory comments from either side contribute nothing towards the establishment of peace in Iraq. Why is it, that this discussion devolves so quickly and continuously into a mud (for want of a creamier term) slinging contest from both sides?
NOTHING that is being discussed has ANYTHING to do about ending the violence in Iraq.
Bruno, a couple of days ago you suggested that the US throw the ball into the Insurgents' court by setting a date and time of departure, in return for a cessation of hostilities by the Resistance. I've thought long on this subject, and my conclusion is, that would indeed give ALL the power to the Insurgency/Resistance. What we would have then would be a duplication of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. We didn't attack, but you did, so we will retaliate knowing full-well that our retaliation will bring counter-retaliation....etc, ad nauseum. I just don't think it will work. Granted, it has not been tried, but....
Jeffery, God, don't you have even the slightest amount of good sense? Throwing words around like so much creamy stuff in an attempt to just set that same shit on fire. I'm not sure this is exactly a positive bent.

6/06/2005 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger madtom said...

"BTW, he didn't vote in the election either."

According to long standing tradition, he was not even eligible to vote.
Maybe next time.

6/06/2005 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ba'athists don't deserve to breath.

6/06/2005 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Baathists don't deserve to breathe. And neither do their cohorts.

That would suck out quite a bit of hot air here.

Hundreds of Baathist punks taken into custody of late.
Nice going Iraqi freedom fighters!

Almost 900 arrests.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/06/international/i133541D69.DTL&sn=008&sc=575

6/07/2005 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger Denise said...

You know, I don't get the whole politics thing. All I know is that our "fearless" leader seems to have the same problem many other leaders in history had...power issues. My uneducated position is that Bush simply wants the Middle East. It's something that American leaders have been building up to for a while now. Maybe I don't know much, but I do know...we should never have entered Iraq.

6/07/2005 03:20:00 AM  
Blogger richsanter said...

[Romanesq] "Baathists, communists, Sadr, Bruno. Same shit."

Ah, the response of a true intellectual, replete with analysis and facts. This is about what I expected.

[Romanesq] "Baathists don't deserve to breathe. And neither do their cohorts."

Gosh darn, you couldn't possibly be referring to this:

CIA still controls Iraq security service
by H Allam and W. P. Strobel - May 9, 2005 - Free Press Foreign Correspondents

"[…] Unlike the defense and interior ministries, there is no provision in the Iraqi government's budget for the secret police. The Mukhabarat's money comes from the CIA. Several Shi'ite politicians in the new government want Shahwani out, saying the Mukhabarat's ranks are filled with Hussein's former officers [*eek* Ba'athists *eek*] seeking revenge against the Shi'ite militias they fought in the 1980s. U.S. intelligence officers in Baghdad wouldn't comment on Iraq's secret police. Through his aides, Shahwani declined several requests for comment.[…]"

Quite apart from the implications this has for Iraqi "sovereignty", it is instructive to note how quickly the US has rushed to embrace all these evil Ba'athists from the former Mukhabarat in its quest to dominate Iraq. The same people that caused the US to go to war with Iraq , (in order to halt their torture and abuse, apparently) are the same people that the US is now paying a stipend to in order to facilitate the continuation of their services.

I imagine that as a cheering cohort of the Ba'athists, you, Romanesq, are currently seeking ways to stop breathing. Please, if you need any suggestions, I am ever at your humble service.

Child, you are outgunned and outclassed here. Go find another place to play with your mud, OK? I would suggest contacting your little friend Jeffrey, so that you can go and massage each other's ehm, egos at his place. Speaking of which ...


Jeffrey --

[Jeffrey] "I see that you have been reading my my numerous with care."
Your your numerous? Christ, it looks like the old fart is finally losing it. Or perhaps it's simply not advisable to post while stoned, eh? So much for the US educational system, I guess.

[Jeffrey] "Yup. I did write those things. Ain't it awful, Brunhilda?"

No, I think that it is quite fantastic that you have allowed your true colours to flap in the wind, as repulsive as they may be. It's enlightening to see just HOW much you and by association, your warmonger pals, really care about the Muslims, Arabs and Iraqis, given that you keep harping on the humanitarian advantages of American invasions. I mean, you do care, right? That's why you invaded them … right?


Right, on to serious stuff.


[DaKruser] "Bruno, a couple of days ago you suggested that the US throw the ball into the Insurgents' court by setting a date and time of departure, in return for a cessation of hostilities by the Resistance … I just don't think it will work. Granted, it has not been tried, but...."

I have also given the matter some thought and arrived at a similar conclusion. Morally, it would be the correct thing to do, since the US started the fight. Practically, however, there are many snags that would undoubtedly derail the process. These would be the main problems as I see them:

(1) The Resistance is not really a united movement. There is a central core that agrees on basic principles and objectives, sure, but that does not necessarily imply control over all elements. All it would take would be a few elements that valued killing Americans more than getting the US to leave to derail the process.

(2) The US could derail such a process itself quite easily if it thought that it stood to lose influence or whatever, either through direct action or through covert action by proxies.

For example, I am at this time quite unsure as to whether the continued existence of Zarqawi is reality or an American fiction. If he is indeed being used as a psyops deception, a mobile casus belli, then action by his "group" could be used to derail the process if it were not to the US's liking

(3) Assuming that Zarqawi is indeed alive and is who he is purported to be, his group would undoubtedly derail a withdrawal process, since the objective of these Al Qaeda types is indeed to galvanise the populace of the Middle East into fighting against US forces wherever they may be in the region (and beyond). They would lose both a major recruiting tool and a major "ally of circumstance".

Nevertheless, it IS noteworthy that the US, despite the problems associated with withdrawal, has refused to even DISCUSS the issue with intermediaries for the Resistance. That says a lot, doesn't it? It says that the US is committed to 'resolving' the issue its way or not at all. LOL! There are years of tribulations ahead, I fear.


[émigré] "It's quite simply really. War is ugly and nobody wants it. No war."


These words bear repeating.

6/07/2005 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

So Bruno, this person who throws curses at people who dare to post here without approval condemns the lack of intellectual retorts.

How sad?

Anyone who attempts to leverage some moral high ground naming groups in Iraq that have acted in barbaric fashion against the citizenry of Iraq reveals himself for what he is: a punk.

There is no factual point to be made in the defense of Sadr or the (Sunni) Association of Baathists Scholars, etc. who endorse violent acts against the people of Iraq.

Oh, to be in league with such barbarians. Please Bruno, angry reader of the Guardian and true believer of the global socialists dream, tell us your wisdom.

Like I said, communists, Baathists, Bruno, Sadr: same shit.

We need more laughs.

6/07/2005 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Bruno,
Let me ask you a question. Since we continually debate concerning the intentions of the US Gov't. Let me throw this back into the court of the "Resistance/Insurgency".
IF, indeed, the "Resistance" movement has sent diplomatic feelers out to the US concerning "Peace for planned withdrawl of US forces", why are they not headlines in all the Anti-Invasion papers? Why have the Communist/Socialist papers of Europe not brought them to the fore? I would submit that these "feelers" would remain quiet because then, if the US agreed, the "Resistance" could play the propaganda card and claim that they "DROVE THE INFIDEL AMERICANS OUT OF IRAQ". This would not be without precedent. Many Lebonese papers STILL claim that the Isrealis were "Driven" out of Southern Lebanon.
Sadly, we must question the rationale of either side. When we speak of attaining the "Moral High-ground", the first step would be for the "Resistance/Insurgency" to condemn all attacks on non-military targets, i.e. no more carbombs in market areas, no more assassination/abduction of non-gov't personnel, no more killing of ING family, etc. I can understand (as can every American Soldier) having mortars fall on an encampment. However, the main goal of the "Resistance" continues to be that of driving a wedge between the Iraqi people and the Americans through indiscriminate violence. THAT is why they will not stop those attacks. If they did, Iraq would find a certain amount of normalcy, and the "Resistance" would fade away.

6/07/2005 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

>communists, Baathists, Bruno, Sadr: same shit.

Ha ha ha!

Romanesq, how true!

*

6/07/2005 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Janice said...

Told ya Jeffrey is a Lunatic.

6/09/2005 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=IRAQ.HTM

Sunni fascists are on their way out.

6/09/2005 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

agolla roo7 2eqra, yegolli blog

6/09/2005 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

khalid jarrar'
YOU ARE A DUMBFUCKING LOSER!

A WHINY COCKSMOKING SPOTLIGHT GRABBING FUCKHEAD JUST LIKE YOUR LOONY MOTHER!

6/10/2005 06:54:00 AM  
Blogger emigre said...

Oh crap, I came here hoping you'd posted recently and noticed that twit who created an immitation profile in my name is trying to besmear reputations again.

"It's quite simply really. War is ugly and nobody wants it. No war."

6/10/2005 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the sunni scholar association is really the ba'athists are us foundation.
and a palistinian ba'athist has no legitimacy blogging in iraq. we are coming after you and god willing we shall expell all you terrorist. go liberate palistine first then came back and talk with that jidad insanity.

6/10/2005 07:51:00 PM  
Anonymous bronte said...

ooooh anonymous youre so scary and intimidating with your anonymous threats and pathetic insults. and sooooo clever being able to pretend you're emigre when you so obviously aren't. i wish i had them kinda smarts!! are you the intellectual of the group, is your mother your grandma instead of your aunt so the genetic stupidity is a bit less than the rest of you??? you are a ridiculous waste of life. in fact, head-hair envious jeffrey is a step up from you, at least he has the courage to own his posts (even if they are generally blogwhoring attention seeking attempts.) grow up, get a brain and a life. you are less than filth

6/11/2005 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger romanesq said...

The Sunni "Scholars" and their ilk are quite labeled as Baathists are Us. In fact many of the so called Sunni clerics are part of the vestige of Saddam.

They got their posts because of their loyalty to him, not any scholarship, Islamic or otherwise.

Quite similar to the Soviet government functionary. You get there not by merit, but by loyalty to the party.

Let them eat the bullets they deserve.

6/11/2005 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Oh no! Time to pray for the poor brave insurgent.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - U.S. fighter planes equipped with precision-guided missiles launched airstrikes on an Iraqi town near the Syrian border Saturday, killing about 40 insurgents who were stopping and searching civilian cars, the military said.
Seven missiles were fired at heavily armed insurgents near Karabilah, close to the volatile town of Qaim, the Marines said in a statement.
The insurgents were armed with AK-47 assault rifles, machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers and had "set up a barricade on a main road to the city and were threatening Iraqi civilians," the military said.
U.S. warplanes backed by helicopters started the airstrikes at 11:40 a.m. and ended them at 4 p.m. "once all the targets were destroyed," the military said. About 40 insurgents were killed. The Marines suffered no casualties.
"The coalition aircraft and fighter jets and attack helicopters from the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing attacked the insurgent compound and surrounding area targeting the armed men," the statement said. "There are no reports of civilian casualties or collateral damage."
It was unclear whether any foreign fighters were among the slain insurgents. The region is known as a haven for Islamic extremists crossing in and out of Iraq across the Syrian border to attack U.S. and Iraqi security forces.
The U.S. military launched two major counterinsurgent offensives in the area last month that killed an estimated 140 militants.
Since Thursday, insurgent attacks in Iraq's volatile Anbar province have claimed the lives of seven Marines. The bodies of 21 slain Iraqi men, some beheaded and most shot in the head, were found Friday in three separate locations near Qaim.
It is feared the bodies may belong to about 20 Iraqi soldiers who went missing Wednesday after leaving a military base bound for a vacation in Baghdad.

6/11/2005 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amerikkka is just that- spelled with 3 K's as in Ku Klux Klan. The nation is so racist it's surprising to me that it has taken this long for Amnesty International to slam the US. In time and in tune with nature, this government is falling apart day by day as truth becomes as bright as the sun and as important to our survival. A country of hundreds of millions- the Army can't get 80,000 people to willingly risk their lives for the monumental and undeniable IMPERIAL war that is being waged in Iraq.

6/15/2005 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger romanesq said...

Everyone please read this because you will ALL find it very interesting.

As I've sent email to Raed and Khalid they know my name. What is very interesting is that since I've posted here for a short time, I've been getting lots of personal attacks. That doesn't bother me at all. But since yesterday I started getting phone calls. One could call them not very nice.

It started yesterday with a man calling and pretending not to know ANY English who kept speaking in Arabic. Told him he had the wrong number. Then calls started coming in the middle of the night. I didn't get to those.

In the morning a series of crank calls from several different phone numbers including Toronto, Canada and apparently Rome, Italy.

What made them interesting? Islamic salutations and comments about where I live. I responded to these more than dozen phone calls by wishing Saddam well and asking if I can send some new underwear.

What I can say is, be very careful about who you email with this Baathists crowd because you'll start getting phone calls from the "family" by the dozens.

I had a good time with the Baathists are us crowd. If you don't want a comments section then do away with it. But don't be making crank phone calls to me from Toronto and Italy because I don't support your Baathists ways.

Some old habits die hard. I'm not making this up. Be careful who you send email to with your name if you don't subscribe to the leftists or Baathists perspective.

But then again, you do get to use lots of Saddam comedy material. I did.

6/16/2005 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger aNarki-13 said...

ahhh the ever existing fight between pro-war anti-war types.

hmmm.

anyway screw it all.
I am a sunni.
I hate(d) saddam but if i spoke it i would get my dick cut off NOT by SUNNIS, but rather by Saddamian Thugs.
mr. ROMANESQ ranting about sunni people: have you ever met actual sunni types?
have you done something other than researching about them in books or online?

each story has two sides.

IRAQ HAD A SHI'ITE PRIME MINISTER WAAAAY BACK IN 1950s SO SHUT UP.

SUNNIS DID NOT SIEZE CONTROL.

SADDAMIAN THUGS DID.
(Actually Abdulkareem Qasim and the Iraqi Army did, saddam came way much after that. TEN YEARS AFTER THAT. AND surprise, Abdulkareem WAS A SHI'ITE!)

SO SHUT UP AGAIN.

and please CHECK YOUR BOOKS!

ITS NOT THE SUNNIS FAULT THAT SADDAM WAS A PARANOID ANDROID WITH TRIBAL LEANINGS. HE PUT HIS TRIBE (Which happened to be SUNNI) IN POWER.
HE CHASED AFTER SHI'ITES BECAUSE OF THEIR LEANINGS TOWARDS IRAN IN THE 80s war.

GEDDIT?
sunni society system! seriously, where do you read this stuff?
if you want to know about something, experience it firsthand, not read about it or hear about it.
thank you.

6/18/2005 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger Jeffrey said...

Khalid,

You're mother is a stupid fucking bitch.

Tell to get the fuck OUT of the United States.

NOW.

*

6/19/2005 10:27:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

Why do I get the feeling Jeffrey just had to throw a tantrum when he was little to get what he wanted. Hey Jeffrey why don't you take some time to write out a list of everyone you want out of the US and post some reasons. I'm sure the government with a little prompting will help you out. Come on don't be shy there's got to be a lot of others perhaps even in your own neighbourhood.

6/20/2005 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous bronte said...

awww jeffyweffy but i thought you're such a big tough intellectual not scared of anyone kinda guy you could tell her yourself...

temper tantrums at your age? not so becoming from a bald man either... you should have added a *stomps foot and crosses arms angrily* it would have been ever so much more effective

you are obviously a very pathetic little man

6/20/2005 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous bronte said...

and rude as well, incredibly rude. a pathetic rude little man. is that how you get your kicks? jealous because she's come to america and has participated and input more than you have in all this time with your deskchair commentary and mediocre insults? is it because she has more standing over there in the short time she's been there than you'll garner in a lifetime? the juvenile trollish comments are sufferably, even sometimes mildy amusing. personal attacks on peoples mothers are base and despicable. but i suspect those are two words which describe you well.

faiza is a woman of courage actively working to make a difference based on her beliefs and values. realising she has opportunities and benefits others lack, she uses them to promote development. she seems to choose not to dwell and be consumed by the rights and wrongs of the war, as so many do who are not directly involved, affected or had to live with the daily repercussions that have abounded with the atrocities of this illegal war. rather she seems to accept and look to the future, trying to maintain some hope.

she is a woman with family in a war zone, and for that reason at least if you overlook the rest, she is deserving of your respect, even if you disagree with her views.

she is a mother and for that reason alone is deserving of respect. or have you no sense of propriety and humanity left whatsoever?

6/20/2005 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous BaathistsKiller said...

Faiza is an ass. She looks down her nose at Westerners who actually go to poorer countries to help others, because according to her, they have "empty lives" and that it what propels them.

Now if that isn't the most insulting crap I've heard, I don't know what it.

Khalid, get your mom out of my country with her condescending attitude. Just make sure to keep her on the meds.

Just to make her feel at home, here's a little rah rah for ya: “Bil rooh, Bil Dem, Nifdeek ya Saddam”

6/24/2005 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please shut off your brain. Everyone knows the reality in Iraq. The media has given up trying to confuse Americans with their outright lies. Now they just try to sell the hope of giving up. The President of course won't.

The minority of a 20% minority are the ones causing the problems for the Iraqi people. It's spelled:

S-U-N-N-I

So get your head out of your ass because no one's buying that bullshit anymore. It's 24 x 7, blow up people, kidnap, kill civilians every chance they can.

Is it an accident the non-Sunni areas of Baghdad bombed today in multiple locations and near a non-Sunni mosque.

Of course not.

6/24/2005 01:14:00 AM  
Blogger richsanter said...

DaKruser –

We are currently discussing your questions amongst more civilised society, amongst individuals who actually have a clue. (Just for people who think I may have cut & run.)

6/24/2005 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger richsanter said...

Everybody, please shut off your brains. Everyone knows the reality in the world. The US media is still trying to confuse us with their outright lies. They are still trying to frame the terms of discussion. We, who live in the Real World (tm) are not taken in by their apologists.

The minority of a 5 % global minority are the ones causing the problems for the Iraqi people. It's spelled:

A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N

So get your head out of your ass because no one's buying that bullshit anymore. It's 24 x 7, blow up people, kidnap, kill civilians every chance they can. As well as torture, rape and incinerate. They gotta test out their new weapons *somewhere*, right?

Is it an accident the non-American areas of Earth were bombed today and almost every other day in multiple locations by Americans and never on US soil?

Of course not.

6/24/2005 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger richsanter said...

Oh, and that Baathistkiller type – I’m sure that Khalid would be overjoyed to have his mother back home. Just what the fuck IS she doing in YOUR country anyway?

Oh. That’s right.

She’s trying to build bridges with the people who invaded, bombed and killed her countrymen. I would sooner send the invaders back in body bags, but hey, I have to respect somebody like her, who is able to put aside the normal feelings of revenge and look for a constructive solution. That’s called a HUMAN.

Unlike you, ape.

Gee, an American redneck’s sensibilities are offended by her efforts at peace. At her efforts at providing medicines for the people that YOU shot up. Boo-hoo-hoo. What a surprise.

Go and twiddle your playstation, monkey, the real world has woken up to the loathsome nature of your sub-species.

6/24/2005 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

WOW..Bruno
I admire your effort to come to the aid of Faiza, but, you lost a little credibility with the more logical crowd through your rant above. Remember, that the US is like a family. We have our internal disputes, but when it comes to that kind of insult, you drive us together. I've respected your arguements in the past, but this is only slightly surpassed in low=level sarcasm by Jeff's. Both of them are racist in nature, and have nothing to do with trying to improve the situation in Iraq.
If you read her post, it is quite obvious that even though she was in a group of relatively like-minded individuals, she thinks they act out of guilt, not conviction. Maybe that is true, maybe not, but if she really believes that, that she certainly doesn't intend to try to understand those who do NOT agree with her.
I await your answers to the questions I posed. If indeed you discussed them with a more intelligent crowd, surely you have some. I also do not cut and run.

6/27/2005 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

June 28, 2005
Americans to jihadists: We will not cut and run
A Washington Post/ABC Poll released on Tuesday shows Americans in strong favor of keeping troops in Iraq, despite the violence and critics of the war at home. Only 1 in 8 Americans favored immediately withdrawing troops from Iraq, a strong show of solid support for continuing this fight against al Qaeda and Sunni extremists. The positive numbers extended beyond that one question, with:

* 53 percent believe the War in Iraq has contributed to the long term security of the United States
* 58 percent believe U.S. forces should remain until civil order is restored
* 13 percent believe U.S. forces should be withdrawn today
* 55 percent believe U.S. forces will remain in Iraq at least a few years
* 52 percent believe that is about the right time frame
* 51 percent believe the war on terrorism can only be succesful if civil order is restored in Iraq
* 61 percent believe elections in Iraq brought U.S. troop withdrawal closer to reality
* 77 percent believe defeating insurgents in Iraq will help defeat terrorism in general to some degree
* 69 percent believe Iraqi's are better off than before the war
* 74 percent believe Iraqi's will be better off in the long run
* 39 percent believe war in Iraq has made U.S. weaker in the world
* 51 percent believe the war in Iraq has contributed to long term peace and stability in the Middle East
* 49 percent believe the war in Iraq has encouraged democracy in other Arab nations
* 48 percent believe going into Iraq was the correct course of action
* 53 percent are optimistic about Iraq over the next year
* 56 percent view the war in Iraq as part of the war on terrorism

Source: Washington Post

6/28/2005 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brunhilda wrote: Reality check for naïve idiots: The US can, has, and does indulge in dirty tricks. There is no reason to believe that this war is any different..

Imagine that. He's just like the dummycrats. Brunhilda voluntarily serves as a supersized tool, without any slight of hand from us, a volunteer one trick Asshat!

Tell us Oh Brave Brunhilda One Trick Asshat, how are you going to fix
this. Whats your plan asshole, you know..how are YOU fucktard gonna save those beautiful girls?

NEW IDEAS SHIT HEAD BRUNHILDA!
NEW PLANS SHIT HEAD BRUNHILDA!

Rubin Haliburton Carter

6/28/2005 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.pmw.org.il/images/PMWplay2.jpg link

6/28/2005 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger pietro said...

Whoa anonymous!!!!!! Talk about a suicide bomber settle down before you explode.
God knows I understand it all now. We're in there because if we lose Iraq we lose on 9/11. I wonder what that'll do for Iraqi support where it counts in Iraq now that Bush has let them know their being destroyed because of 9/11.
I see the emotion works on homeboys but this might cause more casualties as I don't think this speech is going to go over with Iraqi's or the rest of the world, but who needs them anyhow. The President has spoken and this time he's sincere..... I think.
The true values are starting to show. People can die by the thousands, but start to slip in the poles and look out. it's time for a speech.

I'm sure people volunteer for many reasons. Including trying to look good, but to self implode. As someone who enjoys reading fanatical rants of jibberish please take care. You're a perfect balance for Osa...Fidel...
Newt Ging....Ah I think you got them all beat. Makes me wonder why you haven't volunteered for the service or do you just hate all volunteers?

6/29/2005 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:18 PM nice bite at the falafel pietro, too bad you have that name [father's name..Sicilian] or I'd squash you like a cucaracha!


Rubin Haliburton Carter

6/29/2005 02:05:00 AM  
Blogger richsanter said...

DaKruser -

[dk] "…you lost a little credibility with the more logical crowd through your rant above."

I am well aware that I may have offended some people. Good. That was directed at people like Baathistskiller and Romanesq, who epitomise the worst traits in the American psyche. They represent ignorance, arrogance and abrasiveness in one repulsive package.

I know for a fact however, that there are other sorts of Americans that are the opposite of that, and you know what … for some reason, the more insight, understanding and intelligence they possess, the more they are respectful in their demeanour. I trust that these individuals will know that this does not apply to them.

It's just that I'm pretty damn tired of dense rednecks waving their dicks around as if they had a clue, when it's obvious that they don't even have an idea of the simplest underlying FACTS, Romanesq's equating of Baathists with Communists being a case in point. I reserve the right to respond in kind.

You also said this:

[dk] "Remember, that the US is like a family. We have our internal disputes, but when it comes to that kind of insult, you drive us together."

That's precisely the reason why you are currently experiencing such difficulties in Iraq.

I'm glad that you can appreciate this reasoning, and that you can appreciate why this fight cannot be ended except for via genocide or negotiation. Let me put it to you this way: even if the US *did* invade with legitimate and just motives, the cycle of violence it has fallen prey to is directly due to the "them vs us" effect. It was entirely predictable, and I would expect nothing less from any nationalistic populace anywhere in the world. I'd imagine that if the Soviets had invaded the US, even Michael Moore would have rolled his portly form to the nearest recruiting station.

Right.

You did ask me:

[dk " IF, indeed, the "Resistance" movement has sent diplomatic feelers out to the US concerning "Peace for planned withdrawl of US forces", why are they not headlines in all the Anti-Invasion papers?"

Well, by now it is obvious that the US *is* talking to the Resistance, so that point is a little moot, I suppose. Nevertheless, I was referring to the January / February period, where through the Association of Muslim Scholars, the Resistance made it clear that a US withdrawal timetable would convince them to participate:

“story.news.yahoo.com
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's most influential Sunni group will abandon its call for a boycott of Jan. 30 elections if the United States gives a timetable for withdrawing multinational forces, a spokesman for the group said Sunday.

Members of the powerful Association of Muslim Scholars relayed their request to a senior U.S. embassy official at a meeting Saturday, the Sunni official said on condition of anonymity.

The meeting was confirmed Saturday by U.S. Embassy spokesman Bob Callahan, who said an unnamed senior embassy official in Iraq met with leading association members in an effort to persuade them to participate in the landmark election for a constitutional assembly.

Callahan described the meeting as an "exchange of views" but would not elaborate. He said U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte was not present.”

[I think the link is out of action. Nevertheless, Google ought to be of use if you doubt the article's veracity]

And, even after the elections, elements of the Resistance continued to pressure the US for a withdrawal timetable, linking cessation of violence and participation in the political process to such a timetable:

Sunni Leader Vows Support for Insurgents
By Robert F. Worth - The New York Times - 29 March 2005

“They are there to visit Sheik Harith al-Dari, a 64-year-old cleric and tribal leader who has become a leading spokesman for Iraq's disaffected Sunni Arabs.
[…]
Then the guests get down to business. Will Mr. Dari, they ask, be willing to help bring Iraq's Sunnis into politics?
[…]
Mr. Dari made clear that he would continue to view the armed resistance as legitimate until the American military offered a clear timetable for its withdrawal - a condition very unlikely to be met.
[…]
The organization that Mr. Dari leads, the Association of Muslim Scholars, claims to represent 3,000 mosques.
[…]
There are indications that Mr. Dari may be softening his line. In February, the Muslim Scholars Association issued a number of conditions that would have to be met before it would endorse the writing of a constitution and the next round of elections, notably the American withdrawal and the release of all detainees from American military prisons. On Monday, he hinted that he would be content with a timetable for American withdrawal. Some other hard-line Sunni leaders have made similar gestures. "We do not insist that the Americans withdraw at once, as long as they stay in their bases and cease to marginalize our political life," said Ali al-Mashadani, a cleric at Ibn Taymiyya mosque in Baghdad.”


In short – the Iraqis have offered repeatedly to cease fighting in exchange for assurances that US forces would leave within a set timetable. The latest developments we have seen – ie – the Americans talking to the Resistance – are positive developments. It remains to be seen how much good faith either side has in the other.

6/29/2005 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger richsanter said...

Hey everybody, look at the fuckin' retard RHC. I wonder if he could be ... AMERICAN ?

(Should I apologise for pointing this out? He might not be ... but then again, he sounds awfully like Jeffrey)

Really, DaKruser et al, how do you manage to live with these dicks? Doesn't the smell bother you? Can you really blame me for flipping my lid?

6/29/2005 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Bruno,
Yes, we live with them, and like I said, we see them as family. We squabble all the time, but when someone ELSE tells them they are dicks, we react in defense. That is why our system works.
Secondly, would you mind terribly coming over to Baghdad Dweller (LadyBird's sight) and confirm that these talks are indeed happening. I have a particularly difficult relationship with a European who is CERTAIN the Iraqi Resistance would NEVER talk to the Americans, and that they (Resistance) are actually winning Tactically as well as Strategicly (his words not mine). I beleive even YOU would call him a nut-case. He is your side's equivilent of some of our's.

6/29/2005 02:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:11 AM
am routine for Brunhilda...

Begin Daytime Seething>>
check«

Make am. prayers:
Allah loves me this I know
for the ¨°·¶Q'u¡r¤a¡a'n¶·°¨
tells me so.
check«

[rinse & wash then repeat cycle]
check«

Take:
am. blood pressure meds
check«
am. Prozac
check«
am. Effexor
check«
am. lorazepam
check«
************************

pm. routine for Brunhilda...

pm. blood pressure meds
check«
pm. Prozac
check«
pm. Effexor
check«
pm. lorazepam
check«

Make pm. prayers:
As I lie me down to dreams
let me chop off infildel's heads Allah
under your shiny moon beams
check«

[rinse & wash then repeat cycle]
check«

Commence Dream Seething>>
check«

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Nokia N93……..$250USd
Nokia N92…….$200USD
Nokia N83…….$180USD
Nokia N91…….$1900USD
Nokia N90…….$190USD
Nokia N70…….$160USD
Nokia N71…….$150USD
Nokia N72……..$160USD
Nokia N73……..$165USD
Nokia 7360…….$165USD
Nokia 7380……..$175USD
Nokia 7370……..$170USD
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Nokia N80…….$160USD
Nokia 7710…….$145USD
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sony Ericsson w950…..$250USD
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SIDEKICK 3……….$120USD
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Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
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Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
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Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
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Ps3 …………………………………220usd
Ps2 …………………………………..160usd
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Salford
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