Few reflections on the not-so-nice not-our-friend-anymore Jeff
oh, isn't it funny that our American friend Jeff turned red all at once??? I mean... The upper class and the proletariat...??? Who is talking here? One thing you don't know about Faiza, as soon as she finished her education, she got married, and she went with dad to another country joining a leftist party to help the refuges, that was her honey moon, ...And... If u read her last war diary ( which isn't yet translated into English) she said "she can understand why some people might loot goods...But why burn down ministries? Why loot the museum? Why burn old documents?" what should an Iraqi person do when he sees all this happening? Cheer for the burning down of his country's capital???? It's easy for u to repeat what wolfwoitz say when he speak about freedom and long repressed people...But for someone seeing all this happening to his own city... Say, if some ghetto boys go looting the towns,imagine Wachington DC looted from the white house to the smallest grocery shop, would u be happy? And if they brought down the whole government buildings and equipments and your country is in total chaos and devastation, what would u feel?
Faiza always sympathized with the poor people and helped them as much as she could...You you wouldn't imagine how much of her income goes to poor people, there is difference between sympathizing with them and understanding what they're doing, and between feeling happy for watching your city burnt down, robbed and humiliated
oh i forgot that as a Marxist, you'd clap for the wrath of the repressed proletariat.....
oh, u'd only do that when it serves your interest... As if Americans are killing the poor repressed shia in Karbala and Althawra you wouldn't mind anyone calling them thugs or scum... In fact u'd go and call them righteous posts.....
as Juan Cole put it: the neo-cons are now killing the marsh Arabs who they long criticized Saddam because he killed them....
and for one thing.... Most of Iraqi bloggers are from that evil upper class... The class the affords to know that good English, to have PC's and learn how to use internet... I've discussed the westernized boys in an earlier post...Go check it out....
* and as i said before, my parents are two professional engineers who worked in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and then Iraq for over 25 years to make the money that we have now.... Should we apologize that we did good? Every community has its classes... And its not up to you, knowing so little about us, to judge if we are spoiled brats who don't care about our country or about our people and only care for our class...
Faiza isn't an aristocrat.. She is from a poor family... And as all all Iraq's from her generation she got the chance to have good free education, the children of the poor families were able to get their chances and go free all the way up till she graduated as an engineer, and that was social mobility...This isn't a very unusual story...( are the American appointed folks going to cancel the public sector in education and make people pay for sending their kids to school??? And we know who won't be able to send his children to school afterwards)
*and u know what.... It's funny how u equate your views with democracy: she doesn't agree with U... She's then an enemy of democracy... Have u even been reading what she has been saying for the last couple of months, or were u too busy picking those quotes u think are anti-American and show them to your audience while u r happy for being a brilliant detective?"
*and yes, most Iraqis don't actually like the US government that much.. Too bad.... Are they ungrateful by nature? I don't think that there is a group of people who are "stupid" or" ignorant" or just"evil" by birth.... The history of the ME didn't start by the glorious bombing/invasion/liberation of 2003.... I think there was a chance for good feelings in general after president Wilson declaration in 1918..But it was all gone after 1948..... That's the background..... Add to this the close history which isn't a very pretty one...And the recent people who had to lose their loved ones "and no, saying that Saddam would have killed them isn't a good answer"..... So Saddam killed us that makes it good for you to come and kill us and we don't have to complain becaue this time it's for good... Now wake up... Saddam killed people who dared oppose him and everyone who did that was his enemy... So he also had his "nice" justifications for the murders... He didn't kill people out of the blue... He killed only the "bad people", the "anti-revolutionary" people ,so the rest of the "good" citizens of Iraq can all live happily...."
*add to this the loss of security.. The sense of loss....And the loss of national pride.....And the funny fact that people don't like foreigners with big guns to come and tell them what to do....And all the stupid mistakes the US has been doing here in the last year.. And you'll get a picture of how it is...
*now let's talk about polls... Yes... Iraqis were happy because Saddam was removed from power... But they didn't actually want the US to stick around or anything.... They just were patient and pragmatic.... Now there patience is over and as Faiza put it:" thanks for the US for removing Saddam..You have done us a big favor .. Thanks a lot....But now please go home"
*now u want to talk about immorality...Yes we view American society as lacking many moral aspects and family values... That's your way and u chose it... Be happy with it ..Stick to it or change it... But we don't want to be like U... We don't want our society to be like yours... You can listen to your Iraqi pro-American mouth-pieces telling u how great the American society is... But no, that's not a common belief on this side of the world... Now if this blog was supposed to let u know what people on this side of the world think and how they live my mother then is supposed to tell u what she thinks.... If u pick to listen to someone -oh, from the other side, so that gives him more credibility- who tells u how great u are, then its good for your self-esteem but it won't get u any closer to the truth... If u need that lift up try the shrink....
*now u want to talk about Baathists... a Baathist is someone who joined the Baathist party, the funny thing that no one was allowed to work for the government if he wasn't a Baathist, no one was allowed to be a teacher if he wasn't a Baathist, baathist used to come to our schools and say "this schools is exclusive for Baathists, who doesn't join leaves", everyone was forced to be a Baathists, but you know what? My family never did that....Sympathizing with the Baath? haha, hahahaha, people who know us were always worried that we will all be killed one day cause we criticize Baathist in front of strangers.. Nope... We never did...Baathist don't make their kids read animal farm and 1984..... Baathist don't even know there is someone with the name of Eric Blair, u want to see how Baathists think and write: here, have a tour into what a Baathist's blog is like:http://greatiraq.blogspot.com/
and look here there's no one in Iraq who is safe now ( a population of 30 million) was able to carry a gun and go fight the Baath..... Those people were the dead ones ( with their families of course)..... Now u either say that the 30 millions were collaborators or u try to understand and sympathize with Iraqi poor people, you see, the food-the health-everything was a public sector... And everyone got food rations from the country
Baath is a word equivalent to government, if you want to live, you must have electricity, water and food, that all comes from the Baathists government, the Baath was the highest authority, Saddam used to say that Baath controls the government, its the power, its above the government, its everywhere and everything, if you don't want to deal with the government and live alone in the mountain drinking from the river, if you chose not to do that, live in the city, and try not to put dirt in your hands, we never joined the Baath, we never had Baathists friends, our morals and principles were always against that.
see, as the sanctions were implemented on Iraq, technology stopped coming, because companies refused to deal with Iraq cause they were too afraid to be put on the black list, i remember dad corresponding with international companies, and gets responses as "we are very interested in your market, but sorry we cant deal with Iraq" so the result is no new technology at all, water treatment plants, as an example, that are used in Iraq are the same were installed at 70s and 80s, so dad, as an engineer and a business men, tried to bring that new technologies to Iraq, so in a conference about water and water treatment in Iraq, that was held by Iraq experts in water filed working in the government, and opened by ministers who their ministries are involved in this sector, we had a corner showing water treatment techniques, after the conference was over, all the guests, including the ministers came to see these advanced instruments and technology, that is where their pictures where taken, the pictures that are published in the family business website, and that is the incident that you, detective, used to know that we Baathists, blessed by Baathists, and all that talk, i think that gives a hint about the credibility of your judgments.
*u say my mother is like wahabis!!!!!! What a joke.... She is a SHIA.. SHIA... SHIA... Can u get that? Its so funny how uninformed you are, calling a shea person "wahabi" is like calling a very religious catholic a "protestant" !!
are you in this world? And you teach foreigners, you must know better.
and do u know what wahabism is all about in the first place?? ummm...Didn't think so ...
* and it's a joke that u have to be a ...Ahem... Someone like the incredibly "friends with America and Israel" 3 brothers to be called democracy friend...
i mean.. Come on... Wake up....
are they reporting lies? No... They aren't
they just tell u the news the way u like it, the views u r happy to hear to get the pets on their back from their masters...
they'll tell u what u want to hear with perfect English and fox-news terminology...
u call Arab-nationalism evil.... And due to many reasons ( Saddam's nationalist propaganda, sectarianism, the sanctions years, first gulf war and stories of what happened to Iraq's in rafh-ha camp to mention a few) there is in some areas of Iraq anti-Arab feelings... They'll tell u about this and make u happy with righteous posts about the stupid Arabs, the filthy Arabs, the crazy Arabs, the non-democratic Arabs, the ignorant Arabs.... Most Iraqis won't like to criticize Arabs ( since they are Arabs BTW) to foreigners...And I'm sure after we are out of this quagmire, those feelings would be all gone....
u call the anti-bush American bush self-loathing , well my dear, it goes both ways....
and one more thing... Most Iraqis want stability,security, freedom and democracy.... This doesn't mean they agree with America's ways of achieving these goals as the moth-pieces are telling U...
they are the minority in supporting your policies... U don't have to be pro-occupation and pro-war to be a pro-democracy and get the blessing from Jeff that u r indeed a friend of democracy....
aw aw wait...will you report me to the CIA too like you did earlier -like you said- to one of the people in your comment section? you are a true American! real democracy protector, and sure with all these friends from the CIA that makes you one great credible trusted un-biased recource.
oh, isn't it funny that our American friend Jeff turned red all at once??? I mean... The upper class and the proletariat...??? Who is talking here? One thing you don't know about Faiza, as soon as she finished her education, she got married, and she went with dad to another country joining a leftist party to help the refuges, that was her honey moon, ...And... If u read her last war diary ( which isn't yet translated into English) she said "she can understand why some people might loot goods...But why burn down ministries? Why loot the museum? Why burn old documents?" what should an Iraqi person do when he sees all this happening? Cheer for the burning down of his country's capital???? It's easy for u to repeat what wolfwoitz say when he speak about freedom and long repressed people...But for someone seeing all this happening to his own city... Say, if some ghetto boys go looting the towns,imagine Wachington DC looted from the white house to the smallest grocery shop, would u be happy? And if they brought down the whole government buildings and equipments and your country is in total chaos and devastation, what would u feel?
Faiza always sympathized with the poor people and helped them as much as she could...You you wouldn't imagine how much of her income goes to poor people, there is difference between sympathizing with them and understanding what they're doing, and between feeling happy for watching your city burnt down, robbed and humiliated
oh i forgot that as a Marxist, you'd clap for the wrath of the repressed proletariat.....
oh, u'd only do that when it serves your interest... As if Americans are killing the poor repressed shia in Karbala and Althawra you wouldn't mind anyone calling them thugs or scum... In fact u'd go and call them righteous posts.....
as Juan Cole put it: the neo-cons are now killing the marsh Arabs who they long criticized Saddam because he killed them....
and for one thing.... Most of Iraqi bloggers are from that evil upper class... The class the affords to know that good English, to have PC's and learn how to use internet... I've discussed the westernized boys in an earlier post...Go check it out....
* and as i said before, my parents are two professional engineers who worked in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and then Iraq for over 25 years to make the money that we have now.... Should we apologize that we did good? Every community has its classes... And its not up to you, knowing so little about us, to judge if we are spoiled brats who don't care about our country or about our people and only care for our class...
Faiza isn't an aristocrat.. She is from a poor family... And as all all Iraq's from her generation she got the chance to have good free education, the children of the poor families were able to get their chances and go free all the way up till she graduated as an engineer, and that was social mobility...This isn't a very unusual story...( are the American appointed folks going to cancel the public sector in education and make people pay for sending their kids to school??? And we know who won't be able to send his children to school afterwards)
*and u know what.... It's funny how u equate your views with democracy: she doesn't agree with U... She's then an enemy of democracy... Have u even been reading what she has been saying for the last couple of months, or were u too busy picking those quotes u think are anti-American and show them to your audience while u r happy for being a brilliant detective?"
*and yes, most Iraqis don't actually like the US government that much.. Too bad.... Are they ungrateful by nature? I don't think that there is a group of people who are "stupid" or" ignorant" or just"evil" by birth.... The history of the ME didn't start by the glorious bombing/invasion/liberation of 2003.... I think there was a chance for good feelings in general after president Wilson declaration in 1918..But it was all gone after 1948..... That's the background..... Add to this the close history which isn't a very pretty one...And the recent people who had to lose their loved ones "and no, saying that Saddam would have killed them isn't a good answer"..... So Saddam killed us that makes it good for you to come and kill us and we don't have to complain becaue this time it's for good... Now wake up... Saddam killed people who dared oppose him and everyone who did that was his enemy... So he also had his "nice" justifications for the murders... He didn't kill people out of the blue... He killed only the "bad people", the "anti-revolutionary" people ,so the rest of the "good" citizens of Iraq can all live happily...."
*add to this the loss of security.. The sense of loss....And the loss of national pride.....And the funny fact that people don't like foreigners with big guns to come and tell them what to do....And all the stupid mistakes the US has been doing here in the last year.. And you'll get a picture of how it is...
*now let's talk about polls... Yes... Iraqis were happy because Saddam was removed from power... But they didn't actually want the US to stick around or anything.... They just were patient and pragmatic.... Now there patience is over and as Faiza put it:" thanks for the US for removing Saddam..You have done us a big favor .. Thanks a lot....But now please go home"
*now u want to talk about immorality...Yes we view American society as lacking many moral aspects and family values... That's your way and u chose it... Be happy with it ..Stick to it or change it... But we don't want to be like U... We don't want our society to be like yours... You can listen to your Iraqi pro-American mouth-pieces telling u how great the American society is... But no, that's not a common belief on this side of the world... Now if this blog was supposed to let u know what people on this side of the world think and how they live my mother then is supposed to tell u what she thinks.... If u pick to listen to someone -oh, from the other side, so that gives him more credibility- who tells u how great u are, then its good for your self-esteem but it won't get u any closer to the truth... If u need that lift up try the shrink....
*now u want to talk about Baathists... a Baathist is someone who joined the Baathist party, the funny thing that no one was allowed to work for the government if he wasn't a Baathist, no one was allowed to be a teacher if he wasn't a Baathist, baathist used to come to our schools and say "this schools is exclusive for Baathists, who doesn't join leaves", everyone was forced to be a Baathists, but you know what? My family never did that....Sympathizing with the Baath? haha, hahahaha, people who know us were always worried that we will all be killed one day cause we criticize Baathist in front of strangers.. Nope... We never did...Baathist don't make their kids read animal farm and 1984..... Baathist don't even know there is someone with the name of Eric Blair, u want to see how Baathists think and write: here, have a tour into what a Baathist's blog is like:http://greatiraq.blogspot.com/
and look here there's no one in Iraq who is safe now ( a population of 30 million) was able to carry a gun and go fight the Baath..... Those people were the dead ones ( with their families of course)..... Now u either say that the 30 millions were collaborators or u try to understand and sympathize with Iraqi poor people, you see, the food-the health-everything was a public sector... And everyone got food rations from the country
Baath is a word equivalent to government, if you want to live, you must have electricity, water and food, that all comes from the Baathists government, the Baath was the highest authority, Saddam used to say that Baath controls the government, its the power, its above the government, its everywhere and everything, if you don't want to deal with the government and live alone in the mountain drinking from the river, if you chose not to do that, live in the city, and try not to put dirt in your hands, we never joined the Baath, we never had Baathists friends, our morals and principles were always against that.
see, as the sanctions were implemented on Iraq, technology stopped coming, because companies refused to deal with Iraq cause they were too afraid to be put on the black list, i remember dad corresponding with international companies, and gets responses as "we are very interested in your market, but sorry we cant deal with Iraq" so the result is no new technology at all, water treatment plants, as an example, that are used in Iraq are the same were installed at 70s and 80s, so dad, as an engineer and a business men, tried to bring that new technologies to Iraq, so in a conference about water and water treatment in Iraq, that was held by Iraq experts in water filed working in the government, and opened by ministers who their ministries are involved in this sector, we had a corner showing water treatment techniques, after the conference was over, all the guests, including the ministers came to see these advanced instruments and technology, that is where their pictures where taken, the pictures that are published in the family business website, and that is the incident that you, detective, used to know that we Baathists, blessed by Baathists, and all that talk, i think that gives a hint about the credibility of your judgments.
*u say my mother is like wahabis!!!!!! What a joke.... She is a SHIA.. SHIA... SHIA... Can u get that? Its so funny how uninformed you are, calling a shea person "wahabi" is like calling a very religious catholic a "protestant" !!
are you in this world? And you teach foreigners, you must know better.
and do u know what wahabism is all about in the first place?? ummm...Didn't think so ...
* and it's a joke that u have to be a ...Ahem... Someone like the incredibly "friends with America and Israel" 3 brothers to be called democracy friend...
i mean.. Come on... Wake up....
are they reporting lies? No... They aren't
they just tell u the news the way u like it, the views u r happy to hear to get the pets on their back from their masters...
they'll tell u what u want to hear with perfect English and fox-news terminology...
u call Arab-nationalism evil.... And due to many reasons ( Saddam's nationalist propaganda, sectarianism, the sanctions years, first gulf war and stories of what happened to Iraq's in rafh-ha camp to mention a few) there is in some areas of Iraq anti-Arab feelings... They'll tell u about this and make u happy with righteous posts about the stupid Arabs, the filthy Arabs, the crazy Arabs, the non-democratic Arabs, the ignorant Arabs.... Most Iraqis won't like to criticize Arabs ( since they are Arabs BTW) to foreigners...And I'm sure after we are out of this quagmire, those feelings would be all gone....
u call the anti-bush American bush self-loathing , well my dear, it goes both ways....
and one more thing... Most Iraqis want stability,security, freedom and democracy.... This doesn't mean they agree with America's ways of achieving these goals as the moth-pieces are telling U...
they are the minority in supporting your policies... U don't have to be pro-occupation and pro-war to be a pro-democracy and get the blessing from Jeff that u r indeed a friend of democracy....
aw aw wait...will you report me to the CIA too like you did earlier -like you said- to one of the people in your comment section? you are a true American! real democracy protector, and sure with all these friends from the CIA that makes you one great credible trusted un-biased recource.
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